New fee structure

New fee structure

This is absolutely a horrible decision on AirBnN’s part. It completely penalizes the host.  We have been hosting for over 10 years and a Superhost for the entire time.  I will be thinking hard about staying on with AirBnB bead on this policy change. It adversely affects the host too much.  Especially on the Income tax and Rooms& Meal Tax

 

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Italy's tax system, at least when it comes to residential rentals, follows a logic that often leaves foreign readers scratching their heads.

 

If I rent out my own apartment through Airbnb under a short-term rental aggreement - meaning I simply provide accommodation without hotel-style services such as breakfast, drinks, daily cleaning, linen changes during the stay, welcome baskets or similar extras - the income is classified as rental income rather than business income.

 

And that's where the problem begins.

 

Unlike business income, rental income doesn't allow you to deduct your actual expenses. Airbnb now keeps €5,673 plus VAT in commissions out of my €30,000 rental income. Does the Italian tax system care? Not at all. As far as the tax authorities are concerned, those costs simply don't exist.

 

If I choose the "cedolare secca",  Italy's flat-tax regime for residential rentals - which is generally the most attractive option for small landlords (21% on the first property used for short-term rentals and 26% from the second onward) - I cannot deduct a single euro of expenses. If I opt instead for the ordinary personal income tax system (IRPEF), with its progressive tax rates, the situation is only slightly better. I still can't deduct my real costs. The law grants only a standard 5% allowance, regardless of what I actually spend.

 

The only way to deduct expenses is to move outside the rental income rules altogether. In practice, that means either running the activity as a business with a VAT number or structuring it so the income falls into a different tax category.

 

For someone like me, who owns only one or two rental properties, setting up a business is rarely worth it. The administrative burden and tax compliance requirements are simply out of proportion to the income.

 

That's why many hosts operate as Bed & Breakfast or Guesthouses, where they provide hotel-style services such as cleaning during the stay and linen changes. Because those services are included, the income is no longer treated as passive rental income but under a different tax regime that allows business expenses to be deducted.

 

Others use different legal structures, such as subletting a property or managing one that the owner has lent them free of charge. In those situations, the income is generally classified differently, making expense deductions possible. Ironically, however, if the stay is under 30 days and the flat-tax (cedolare secca) applies, those deductions disappear once again.

 

The result is a system full of contradictions.

 

Two people can host the same guests, in the same apartment, charge exactly the same price and incur exactly the same expenses. Yet one can deduct Airbnb's commissions while the other cannot. The difference has nothing to do with the economics of the activity. It depends entirely on how the income is classified under Italian tax law.

 

In any fair tax system, people should be taxed on what they actually earn, not on money they never get to keep. While Italy's rules on rental income are not, in themselves, unconstitutional, the gap between taxable gross income and the landlord's real disposable income has been one of the most widely criticised features of the Italian tax system for years.

 

Everyone knows the problem exists. So far, no one has fixed it.

Good assessment. I think, Airbnb, doesn’t have good accountants. Their new model will simply drive guests back to hotels. I’ve already noticed that hotels look like better deals compared to Airbnb stays. For me, we have local vacation rental companies that do everything. Or, I can set up my own rental website. Both are better options than this new hassle. As we all know, there is a lot of risk involved with Airbnb and guests are not properly vetted. Plus, hosts are reluctant to leave negative reviews so the hosts need to deal with potential damage and terrible cleaning situations. I am interested to hear if there are better and more transparent platforms out there. 

Hi @LeighAnn2 

I just want to make sure you know that @Vanessa2864 's problem related to income tax is specifically a disadvantage that individual, non-professional hosts in Italy are presently facing. They're taxed on gross income, so the Airbnb fee structure change has an impact on them because it increases their gross income.

 

As your listing is in the US, you'll report a higher gross income to the IRS, but the higher service fee will simply be deducted before your tax is calculated. Providing that you run the update tool to adjust your calendar prices correctly before 15 September, your income tax, Airbnb host payouts and Airbnb guest totals will remain virtually the same as before the change.

 

I see there are some other aspects about Airbnb (reviews, etc.) that you're not 100% satisfied with, but the Airbnb service fee change shouldn't impact you negatively if you don't pay taxes based on gross income.

@Elaine701 , I confirm that.

 

In Italy, as well as in other countries, the taxable amount is the gross accommodation cost, which is inclusive of Airbnb's commissions.

 

Airbnb's commissions (3%-5% or 15.5% now) are considered "expenses" associates to your activity. 

 

 

And that completely unfair and unethical tax system is Airbnb's fault because... (?)

Airbnb's answer is to just increase your room rate. This essentially increases Airbnb's income by 15.5% The host earns the same amount or less. This has the greatest impact on the traditional host with a room to rent. My guests are regular working people or retirees with a budget. My fee was $ 49-55 a night. It is now $63. so I've removed the cleaning fee to help my guests and offer discounts. I'm losing money. I think Airbnb is benefiting the corporate "hosts" who cater to guests who don't have a budget. Did the " experiences" pay off?  I can't think it did. My clientele do take out. Companies are always beholden to the investors. A 15.5% income increase without any effort is a good business plan. And then there is the fable of the goose that laid the golden egg. 

@Barbara2519 you should increase your fees using the tool to get the same out after the service fee structure change. It will also make sure your guests pay the same.

 

Please don't decrease your fees, you'll lose out quite significantly.

@Barbara2519 

 

I see where you've gone with this, but your calculations conveniently disregard the 16-19% of combined commissions that Airbnb eliminated in this process, before replacing it with 15.5% flat rate. 

 

Which one is "increasing" Airbnb income? 

Thank you. Agreed. And I feel AirBnB is on the verge of killing their Golden Goose Hosts. Looking for a better, more win-win minded platform. Shame on AirBnB for the lack of clarity, the lack of understanding, and downright greed hurting the very Hosts that their succes was built upon.

Has the service fee structure change had a negative impact in your case @Gabby26 ? Can you let us know how?

I rent rooms also. Many rent rooms when they come her and work at the Airforce Base. Or they are passing through to another destination.

I am not a vacation rental. So I will have to raise my rates and pray I get bookings. 

I think it is terrible that airbnb has put the fee on to the host. Now customers will think we are greedy and that we keep that fee when we do not. I think this is so untruthfull to the guests. Now hosts will take on the complaints for service fees. Airbnb comes out smelling like a rose. 

 

@Sharon2173 

 

Unfortunately, Sharon, there's a lot of confusion about it.

 

Fortunately though, it doesn't add anything to the price nor adversely affect your payout. And your guests shouldn't see any difference.

 

For all those who've  been on this single fee model for years now, it hasn't made any difference. 

 

But if that doesn't suit you, you can always go to craigslist or something. It might be a good learning experience.

 

However, I wouldn't give up your Airbnb listing quite yet. You will be surprised what you'll learn from this. And it takes some years to establish a good history and ratings on any platform, so you might want to keep your Airbnb listing for now. At least until you discover what your other options entail.

 

Good luck and happy hosting.

You shouldn't get fewer bookings because of the fee structure change @Sharon2173 

 

The total price that the guest sees, will stay virtually the same. The two parts of the split fee system are just rolled into one fee now.

AGREED! We are Superhosts also, with 8 listings. Not only Horrible decision and business practice but the WAY they are communicating is just like Phishing scammers do. And the suggested way to "Adjust your pricing" is terribly worded, and unclear. AirBnB is losing contact with their Hosting Community, and this needs to be addressed.

MORE clarity, and security!

I hope that many Hosts speak up about this, and thank you Carolyn-And-tephen0 for starting this thread.  Greed is NOT going to be a good long term solution for ABB.

Hana Inn Maui here again : Our position is that AirBnB is deliberately making this confusing, and obtuse. OPEN transparency for the Hosts AND the guests is the only proper way to do business. Anything else approaches hidden fees, and distrust.

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