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In the last couple of days, the French have pass a law to do with all rentals. I can understand that more long term retals are needed, but a part of the law covers how well insulated the rental is and from 2025 all listings need a grade of F.
My chalet is open for guests in the warmer seasons, April to the end of October, it is wooden with with 44mm walls and 25mm roof, it is not going to make the grade.
I don't make a lot of money on the rental and I can't afford to upgrade it, so I may have to close.
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Hello @Malcolm238
If you are already renting a "meublé de tourisme" through a booking platform then my interpretation is that the legal obligation of providing a rental with a DPE of F does not apply to us.
There is a distinction between a "meublé de tourisme" also known as "meublé touristique" and a "location courte durée" (LCD). All "meublé de tourisme" are a "Location de Courte Durée" but not all LCD's are a "meuble de tourisme". Different regulations apply.
If you read the link below that comes from an official government site, ( I needed to read it many times) I have understood that an existing listing classified as a "meublé de tourisme" where the owner rents out to tourists for short periods (max 3 months) is not affected by these new regulations until 2034. I see this repeated twice in the link.
https://www.economie.gouv.fr/cedef/passoires-energetiques-meubles-touristiques-dpe
Most town halls require hosts to register their property to obtain a registration number. Is this the case for you? If so, have you declared it as a "meublé de tourisme" or something else? I presume guests have to pay a tourist tax?
Things are moving VERY fast in France concerning rentals on many levels so it's important to take the latest information available. There are many different categories for renting properties in France and the new laws apply differently depending on how you rent out your property - furnished, non furnished, to tourists, if its your primary home or your secondary home.
The tax implications are also something that needs looking into as changes are afoot there also and yes you're right changes are always possible. If I find further information carved in stone I'll let you know but this link is a good start.
Best regards
Joëlle
@Malcolm238 that is strange because similar laws apply in the UK but only to long term rentals. Short term rentals are exempt as the host is paying the bills. Are you sure the French laws apply to short term rentals?
@Mike-And-Jane0 Yes to short term rentals. The French gov think that if it is only applied to long term rentals, then the landlords will change them to short term. Cities like Paris have too many short term and not enough long term.
Hello @Malcolm238
I come as a bearer of good news😊 The legal requirement for STR listings to be classified between the rating of A to D is ONLY for new listings coming onto the market. You can check this information on the net.
For existing listings, we have until 2034 to improve on the insulation of our listings so you can breath a sigh of relief for a bit longer😉
All the best
Joëlle
Hi @Joelle43 , you are correct for 2034,
but,
"The law also makes furnished tourist accommodation subject to the same DPE requirements as standard lettings, in order to prevent landlords who have been banned from letting out their "energy sieve" from resorting to letting out on platforms to avoid these rules and the work made necessary by the condition of their accommodation.
As a result, you will need to have an DPE of at least
F in 2025
and E in 2028
before you can rent out your property."
So for 2025 I need a grade of F.
Sorry Joëlle, the good news does not apply to me and others, unless you know something different?
All the best to you too,
Malcolm
@Joelle43 @Malcolm238 and other readers,
We have been through the insulation process many times in our lives as spent much time with Professional Builders.
One matter to raise as a sustainable issue is the use of Scrim in older buildings and lack of Insurance cover if one still has it in one's home.
Scrim was used in earlier times because those before us had limited materials available to hold homes together and keep warm.
Back in the day people used candles and Open fires and some people, for whatever reason, didn't have a Fire screen to prevent sparks flying which caused the Scrim to catch alight.
As society has evolved so have advances of inventions, we now have fire screens to prevent the spread of sparks and fires, there's smoke alarms, Vesta / matches have been replaced with lighters amongst other changes.
It would be great if members of the Airbnb community wrote to Insurance companies to revise there long standing policies of not insuring Homes, notably places of Historic importance, simply because they have Scrim and left our ever decreasing Historic homes alone.
In regards to Added Insulation, do be mindful that if your home has Asbestos materials it is a fire retardant and provides warmth.
It is also found in flooring, walls and ornate ceilings and Theatre Curtains.
It is a naturally forming mineral that is best left alone.
One needs to also familiarise oneself with the Building Regulations at the time one's home was built as it all comes in to the equation.
Some laws change with words but remain as Status Quo.
Check if your home is facing the sun with it's windows, grab a Barometer and take the Temperature daily to see when and if it drops below the suggested indoor temperature for your area.
Be mindful also places of sleeping and the kitchen do not need to be the same temperature as living quarters because one is either standing up working or in bed so there's not the same need.
There's plenty of useful information in archive newspapers.
All the best.
Hello @Malcolm238,
Thank you for bringing this news up! I had not heard of it before nor had I heard of the similar law here in the UK that @Mike-And-Jane0 referred to, we learn new things every day. @Joelle43 shared some interesting insights that may help put your mind at ease. Did you get a chance to read the information she shared?
Let us know how you get on. 😊
Hello @Malcolm238
If you are already renting a "meublé de tourisme" through a booking platform then my interpretation is that the legal obligation of providing a rental with a DPE of F does not apply to us.
There is a distinction between a "meublé de tourisme" also known as "meublé touristique" and a "location courte durée" (LCD). All "meublé de tourisme" are a "Location de Courte Durée" but not all LCD's are a "meuble de tourisme". Different regulations apply.
If you read the link below that comes from an official government site, ( I needed to read it many times) I have understood that an existing listing classified as a "meublé de tourisme" where the owner rents out to tourists for short periods (max 3 months) is not affected by these new regulations until 2034. I see this repeated twice in the link.
https://www.economie.gouv.fr/cedef/passoires-energetiques-meubles-touristiques-dpe
Most town halls require hosts to register their property to obtain a registration number. Is this the case for you? If so, have you declared it as a "meublé de tourisme" or something else? I presume guests have to pay a tourist tax?
Things are moving VERY fast in France concerning rentals on many levels so it's important to take the latest information available. There are many different categories for renting properties in France and the new laws apply differently depending on how you rent out your property - furnished, non furnished, to tourists, if its your primary home or your secondary home.
The tax implications are also something that needs looking into as changes are afoot there also and yes you're right changes are always possible. If I find further information carved in stone I'll let you know but this link is a good start.
Best regards
Joëlle
@Malcolm238 I understand that you only host seasonally but I would worry that the authorities may see this as a new rental each year and you would lose your grandfathered rights. Perhaps @Joelle43 as our resident expert could comment.
Hello @Malcolm238
A host on the French CC has created a post today on the new directives for the "meublés de tourisme" that I thought you might like to read:
https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Cercle-des-hôtes/Nouvelle-loi-Airbnb-voté/m-p/2014765#M22439
All the best
Joëlle
Hello @Joelle43
Thank you, that is very good, because that means I can continue with my let next year.
All the best,
Malcolm
Hello @Malcolm238
Glad you found it useful😊 I don't see a registration number on your listing - is that because your local town hall doesn't require you to have one? If so, that looks like it's going to be compulsory for all listings next year.
Noticed that your calendar is completely closed for the next year? Have you maybe decided to snooze it? Having said this, I can book your chalet from May 2026 - calendar open! Normal?
To answer @Mike-And-Jane0 question, if you have declared your place as a "meublé de tourisme" to the authorities - local and tax office, you don't have to rent it out year round to keep this status but you do have to make sure that it is properly declared? Is the chalet declared as a secondary home?