Host complaining we didnt maintain her pool

Host complaining we didnt maintain her pool

Hi there

 

We took a holiday in Mireval in the South of France 2 weeks ago and paid £2,444 for 10 nights in a Villa, so it wasnt particularly a cheap holiday!    It had a pool and when we arrived the pool wasnt quite clear, although having no idea about pools, we didnt really take much notice at the time as we were so excited to be on holiday.  You couldnt see the bottom of the pool though

 

On arrival, we were told the robot which cleans the pool is broken and that we had to sweep the pool manually each day.  We dont have a pool at home, so she showed us where the broom was and how to connect it up but thats about it.  Her English wasnt great, so it ws difficult to understand.    We swept it as we thought was sufficient each day which took about 1-1.5hrs per day. 

 

The pool was getting more cloudy each day, so we contact her and she came out to put some liquid into it, which didnt make any difference.    We tested the water each day and it was high in ph/alkaline but she told us not to worry about it, it was safe to swim in.

 

She then went and bought a robot after about day 3-4 which cleaned the pool each day and we were told to put this in the pool each evening until teh robot stopped and then take it out, which we did everyday.  She told us this would improve the pool.

 

I sent her pictures every day of the pool as I was getting worried about how cloudy it was getting and she told us to do a chlorine shock procedure.   She talked us through what to do do and we followed the procedure, by the letter and kept in touch via Air BnB messaging.

 

The pool didnt get any better(in fact it got much worse)  and she then told us to go to the shop to get some TAC, but that the person didnt speak English (and we didnt speak French).  The reason we had to do this was because she had run out of TAC.   We didnt go and get this as there was no chance of us being able to explain what we wanted, let alone understanding how to treat the pool!  Plus we didnt know where the shop was.  We told the host we didnt get the itemsand kept posting her pictures of the pool to keep her updated.  She never came back round or sent anyone round to inspect it afer this.

 

Over and above this, she had some steps up to a mezzanine floor where she told us they were very fragile and that the only way to walk up the stairs was to not touch the edge of thestairs with our feet and to ensure our feet were always in the middle of the stairs.  These stairs were narrow and winding, so it was almost impossible for an adult, let alone asking a 4yr old child to keep their foot in the middle of the stairs without touching the edges.  Have you ever tried this using stairs?! 

 

Needless to say, the step got a bit damaged as it was only made out of plaster and so just cumbles when you put any weight on it.    I messaged her immeidtely after it had happened and then also videoed the stairs showing me trying to get up and down them as she had requested (which was almost impossible) - and also videoing where damaged had been caused previously severaly times (as it had obviusly happened before as you could see where it had been patched up before in 6-7 different areas), due to the stairs simply not being fit for use (they were made out of simple plaster which kept crumbling) and had crumbled and been evidently repaired several times prior to us staying.  I tried to put a cover over them and she told me not to and told me to take the cover off, which we did.  I ended up stopping the children going up the mezzanine via the stairs for fear of future damage, so that was another room we couldnt use, but wsa the only room where it had a TV for the chilren.  Which meant for the rest of the holiday, they couldnt watch TV.

 

I then, some weeks later, receive an email from teh Host saying its going to cost EUR150 to fix the stairs (which I find hard to believe being as its just plaster and painted), plus thatwe didnt look after her pool properly and that she had to buy some solution which cost EUR200 and we are to reimburse her for this.

 

She also said we left lights on overnight and that she had her neighbour take pictures of and that her electricity has gone up from 14Kw to 16Kw and she has had to pay out for that.   

 

I have sent her a very long reply back as I feel that a) the pool wasnt in a good enough state when we arrived.  b) We don't have a pool at home, so trying to maintai something you know nothing about is very tricky.  At no point on herbooking does it say you need to know about pools, or that you would have to sweep it for 1-1.5hrs per day on your holiday!

 

We messaged her daily with test results and the colour of the water and she kept telling us we were doing well (I have messages as evidence). We then discover that my daughter's eczema got much worse because high ph and alkaline causes skin irritation which she didnt tell us about.

 

I also have video evidence of loads of areas where this plaster has come away in areas of traffic on stairs and other areas and you can see at leat 6-7 different areas on the steps where it has been damaged before.

 

I have also said I feel my privacy has been violated by a neighbour taking photos of when we were staying there.      Also, we needed to keep some lights on overnight as my 6yr old and 4yr old are not yet able to sleep with the light off.  There was nothing in the booking instruction to say that we had to restrict electricity or light useage?

 

I feel really upset by the whole thing as we gave her a nice review and now I wish I hadnt have.

 

In addition to that, there were loads of things wrong with the villa such as; taps falling off, taps not working, flusher on toilet not working leaving 1 toilet for 6 people, a wasp infestation, ant infestation, only 2 chairs poolside when there were 6 of us staying (one of which was broken), expecting us to feed their tortoises each day, a really loose heavy high shoe cabinet which was not attached to the wall which could have fallen at any time on the children (which would have no doubt, been fatal) and was very wobble, blunt knives, no spare toilet roll, no spare kitchen roll, no spare bedding so having to use same bedding for 10 days, only one fan in he whole house, the garden was unuseable as it was like scrubland

 

We didnt complain because we are not people who complain.   But I wish I had have now - especially after her sending this message.   I also wish I hadnt have done a review and am worrried she will give us a bad review.

 

We paid £2.5k for this villa, which we feel wasnt up to standard and we put a lot of work into the pool, which we didnt know we would have to when we booked it.  

 

Iknow this comes across as just my story, but honestly - I can tell you we stressed about that pool every day and told her about the stairs the second it happened (all on Air BnB messaging), treating it as our very own home.   That house was spotless when she returned.  She even asked us to strip the beds and was the covers - which we did.

 

What do you think??  I'd be interested in your thoughts?

Faye 

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@Faye22 Sorry to hear that you overpaid for an unprepared property and also met such a rude character. You stay at this place sounds more like an Airbnb experience about pool management and cleaning than a proper holiday. That would be nice if you could show the listing page of that host in the community so that to make people aware about such existing host on the network. Good luck!!!

Hi there

 

Thank you so much fro your support, it makes me feel a bit better that I am not a bad person.  We tried so hard!

 

I am not sure if I am allowed to send the link, am I?  If not, its a house in Mireval, France with a pool....looks beautiful on the photos, but when you actually use it, there's quite a lot wrong with it!

 

Yes, thats true - we certainly did feel a bit like pool maintenance employees, rather than guests, at times!!

 

Regards

Faye

@Faye22    

Sorry your holiday did not go as you expected.  In the listing did it say anywhere that the guests would be responsible for maintaining the pool?  As a guest, I would expect that to be a service provided unless plainly stated in the listing.  In my opinion, I would not respond or pay for what she has requested.  As a host, we do expect normal wear and tear but both the pool and stairs are safety issues that the host should have dealt with prior or during the stay.  If she is requesting money, I would let Airbnb handle it.  Provide all your proof to Airbnb.  Especially the messaging where the host request that YOU go and get the proper solution to "fix" the pool.     I hope that your next experience is better.  Best of luck to you.

Thank you so much for your reply and it makes me feel so much better that other people think this entire situation is a little ridiculous.

 

On the House Rules, it had '+ pool maintenance' which we just assuemd would be skimming the water for flies, debris etc and perhaps a little bit of maintenance.  When we arrived, she could harly speak any English, didnt give us any demo on how to use the broom on the pool or what to do and then gave us these insructions typed up, which were abou 4 lines on if the pool colour changes colour, then this is a problem and it needs a chlorine shock treatment which we would need to do.  She showed us how to turn on the filtration, but other than that, there were no other insructions.  In fact, she told us as her robot was broken it takes her 3 hours to clean teh pool with the broom - I guess she expected us to do that, but we were out most of the day and didnt have 3 hours to do this!

 

I've said to her that if she is going to start claiming money from me, then I will list all the things wrong with the property, which I put in my email and I will make a claim from her.   She has now replied saying that we left urine in the toilet uncleaned and that the gas hob was full of grease - which is a complete an utter lie, but of course, we didnt take photos when we tidied up.   I would never ever leave a house like this, as we rent our house out, so we always leave it as we find it.    I think she is just not a nice person.  I wish I'd have never left her a nice review now.

 

I phoned Air BnB and they said to go to the resolution centre and reclaim some funds, so I have done that this afternoon.  I expect she will refuse it!

 

Thank you so much for your support - its just so upsetting when hosts accuse you of not taking care of the property when we did our absolute utmostt to do so....

Helen3
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Hello @Faye22

 

I am sorry you had such an awful experience, but why oh why, didn't you contact Airbnb about this as they suggest, rather than becoming the hosts 'pool maintenace person' for the duration of your stay.

 

In your situation I would have asked Airbnb to cancel the booking and help you find somewhere else comparable

 

Of course you should have to pay anything for the pool. She should be paying you compensation.


If the stairs were unusable then you shouldn't have to pay for that either.


I do hope you left a very honest review.


Call Airbnb now and ask for their help with dealing with this.

To be honest, we didnt really think.  We had just driven down overnight from Calais (10hrs), had 4 very tired children (and 2 very tired adults) and we were just ssooo happy to get into the Villa, that it didnt really click until 2-3 days in that things weren't right.  Then, I guess we just put up with it.  I know we shouldnt have, but we just didnt want to spoil our holiday or upset anyone.  She seemed so nice.    Of course, she would at the outset, so she would get her £2.5k!

 

We actaully left her quite a nice review (but i did give her feedback on the pool saying we found it difficult to maintain, no proper instructions and had never used a pool before, so recommended that she pay someone to come in daily and do daily checks on the pool for her guests).    She never responded to that.


I just wish I hadnt have given her a review.  I've called AirBnB and they said to just wait and see if she goes to the resolution centre to request money and if she does, then I wil get to submit my videos, etc.  Thank goodness I took some, otherwise I wouldnt have a leg to stand on.

 

They've also recommended that I submit my issues to the Resolution Centre on the Villa (which I mentioned earlier) requesting some money back and I've done that this afternoon.  I expect that will make her even more angry, but you are right - I should have done this at the time.  Its difficult though when you have 4 excited children wanting to use the pool and all you want to do is relax!

 

Thank you so much for you support, I do feel a little better that its not us being completely out of order.   She's now written back saying we left urine in the toilet and loads of grease on the cooker hob, which is so far from the truth.  We absolutely left that place sparkling and couldnt use the toilet she mentioned because there was a brokenflusher!

 

I'm not going to respond to anymore of her messages now and leave it to AirBnB if thats where it goes.

 

The even more annoying thing is she said there were inflatables, one of which had a hole in it - we spent EUR40 on new inflatables and gave them to her on our departure.  I wish we hadnt have now!

 

You live and learn I guess......

 

Faye

@Faye22  Glad to hear you are feeling better.  From what you said, I, as a guest, would have expected the same, skimming the pool before use.  It is easy for us to say we should have done something upon arrival but like you said after a long trip with children and language issues you just hope for the best.  I think travelling as a single or couple you have more control but when there is a group and children and a large expense involved you just think things will get better.  You and your group really tried.  But for her to come after you looking for compensation, WOW, that took it to a new level.  I hope things work out for you during this resolution.  It is to bad you gave a good review but now you need to concentrate on resolving this.  Continue to feel better, have no guilt,  it is a lesson to us from both a host and guests view.  Let us know what happens.  Nancy

Forgive me if I have misunderstood, @Faye22, but it seems you have written a review but your host has not? If that is the case, and it has not been 14 days since you checked out, you can still edit your review. It's a good idea to warn future guests that they will be pool staff. 

Sorry! Editing has to be done within 48 hours of writing the review, even if the other review has not yet been posted. Apologies for getting your hopes up (if I did), @Faye22

@Faye22

Even if you wrote your review, it will not be posted until the host writes theirs. You can edit your review until the reviews are posted, which occurs after both parties have written their review or after 14 days, whichever comes sooner. Go to your profile and click on "reviews written by you". You may see an edit button there.

 

Sorry this happened to you. I can't imagine a host requiring a guest to do that much work to maintain their property and to not send a representative over to check on things. It sounds like you have legitimate concerns. Always communicate with hosts through Airbnb platform regarding matters like these, so there will be record the ABB support team can review. But I would call ABB support right now and ask them how you should proceed. If the host wants you to pay more to her, then she will need to use the Resolution Center. If she didn't initiate a claim with you through the Resolution Center, then she is operating outside of ABB and you don't need to respond to her. You can decline the host's request and get ABB involved if there is anymore problems.

 I looked it up, @Jim-and-Marcia0. You can edit your review only within 48 hours after you have written it, and if the other party has not reviewed you yet. You do not have 14 days to edit it - only 14 days that it is hidden pending the other review. 

I thought the same as you, and gave the same advice at first. Having 14 days to edit would be nice, but it's a mere dream. 🙂 

It is here: https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/367/can-i-edit-a-review-i-wrote

Yes, I am afraid it seems I cannot amend the review - completely my fault.  Shouldnt have been so nice so quickly!

 

SHe has now wrote a pretty poor review about us not maintainign the pool, using too mcuh elecgricity and also, breaking her stairs.  Ive put a public response, and I guess thats all I can do.

 

She's now also put in a rquest for EUR231 for damages.  Its all pretty stressful to be honest.  I really hope AirBnB will read the messages and see the efforts we put in.  Thanksfully all messages were done via AirBnB.

 

I've now put in a request for a refund, but AirBnB are saying as I didnt report it within 24hrs its outside of the T&C's.  problem is, the pool problem and stair problem didnt appear until Day 3-4, so not sure how that works if you have problems outside of the first 24hrs?

 

 

Woah!  I would be really angry about everything you have mentioned.  We have often rented houses with private pools and have never had to clean the pool ourselves, except for skimming flies.  We recently stayed for 7 days at a private house for 8 people (we were only 2 people), the pool was cleaned for our arrival and it stayed clean for the duration without us having to do anything to it.  It seems the owner of the property you rented was very slack on maintenance.  As for price - wow, for that amount of money, I would expect that someone would visit the property and maintain the pool for me (which has also happened in the past).  Also, having neighbours spy on you and take photos is an invasion of your privacy - I would be furious.  If I were you, I would be asking for money back as you did not receive what you were promised.  You definitely shouldn't feel bad about complaining.  It's appalling that she dares to ask you for money to fix what was not adequate in the first place.  Good luck.  

@Faye22

 

I would decline to pay..and I think you will find AirBnB sides with you.

 

However, it;s a lesson learned that you should not stay quiet about things that are wrong until after the event: aside from the pool, which I would have been very annoyed about after a few days, you have another long list of things that were not acceptable to you. Straightaway you should have been in contact with the owner and AirBnB advising them of the things that were wrong with the place - you paid a lot of money for a pretty poor standard it would seem.

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