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When is enough, enough? I’ve been reading a lot of different postings on what folks are providing for their guests and am wondering how do you determine if/when you’re doing enough.
I am currently statused as a “Superhost” (I’m not bragging...it’s a challenge at times as I’m sure everyone in the community can attest) and have a separate studio apartment (approx 300 sf-holds 2ppl) in the back of my residence located on the west coast of Florida that I typically rent for $85-95/night and am currently only renting on Friday/Saturday nights. It has a salt-water pool which guests are allowed to use, along with a gas grill on the patio. I also have beach chairs, blanket and umbrella for those going to the beach
I provide:
Queen bed w/bed linens (sometimes “themed” for season)
4 pillows
extra blanket
4 bath towels
4 hand towels
4 washcloths
1 dark facecloth (make-up removal)
Liquid shower gel
Liquid shower soap
Liquid hand soap
shampoo
conditioner
emergency kit (bandaids, antibacterial gel, toothpaste, toothbrush, mouthwash, shaving gel and razor)
full size refrigerator w/4 bottles of water
creamers (regular and flavored)
microwave
Kuerig machine (varieties of coffee pods)
variety of tea bags
dishware ( glass and plastic ware)
flatware
dish soap
paper towels
Clorox wipes
utensils for the grill
salt and pepper
Rotating snacks picks
Kind breakfast bars
I don’t charge a cleaning fee or deposit (knock on wood -I’ve only lost one $20 throw blanket) and I’ve been hosting for about two years, just curious as the more I read, the more I wonder what exactly is considered “enough” and what folks expect for money or value they are paying.
Thanks in advance for for your comments.
dear @Linda1556 me and my 2 friends took a room in Trieste, Italy this week for a one night stay. It was last minute booking and we booked it directly (it was bed and breakfast type of accommodation./
We paid 100 euro for a room but we didn't get breakfast because it was last minute booking at 7 PM but the price was not discounted for the lack of it. They have charged us 5 euro more for checking in after 7 PM.
It has shared a bathroom with some soap and shampoos, 2 towels per person and broken bathtub glass. We got top sheets only, no extra blankets, no air conditioning just a fan, furniture from 50-es, very uncomfortable matresses, electric cooker, and some tea bags without sugar, coffee or cream, no kitchen. All doors have peeling paint and the hardwood floors and beds were squeaky.
This bed and breakfast is not listed on Airbnb but it is listed on booking.com and it has 9,6 rating and great reviews !! Unbelievable... 😄
I'm going to start charging $$ for after 7pm - that's a great scam!
Being in the airbnb business has taught us lots.
Last minute bookings get a premium. Last minute bookings may be the bottom of the barrel.
While the 9.6 rating was probably bought, it may have been left by grateful guests who only paid a third of what you paid.
.... and they have got a breakfast @Paul154 :)))
You should see the bathroom, just a small chair to put your stuff and clothes on it but first you have to remove the sign which says " Hot water is not forever, use it rationally" .The only shelf was an old wooden board with peeling paint, placed on the radiator and there was a pair of baby slippers on it ( I assume it's a decoration ) 😄
I've seen a few hotels and rooms in Italy and they are really not obsessed about decor or furniture haha 😄 I've heard the same about France.
But 100 euro... I rent 3 bedroom apartment + open space living room, 2,5 bathrooms + wc + 2 kitchens + 2 TVs + PARKING, in the city center to 4 guests for the same price.
@Linda1556 I am curious. What brings you to post this narrative? Are your guests complaining about what they find in your space? Are they deducting stars for value or overall? Do your guests imply that they want more? Are you feeling pressure to offer more to keep your SuperHost status?
Certainly, as far as I can tell, you are offering a lot. Of course, I don't know your market so I don't know how your rate compares to others in your area but your guests certainly are writing glowing reviews.
@Linda1556 I would also have the same curiosity that @Susan151 does. It seems that you provide a lovely and comprehensive array of amenities for your guests. There is always the odd person who simply can't be pleased, no matter what they receive, and will always manage to find something to criticize or complain about. This isn't limited to Airbnb guests, I'm sure we've all run into folks like that in the course of our lives. I generally feel sorry for them, as they are basically unhappy people. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't be irritated if they tanked my ratings
@Linda1556 I find your post interesting because I have progressively added more and more amenities over the past 3 years but my price has more or less stayed the same. It's really a bargain for what guests get. But I think guest expectations are very individual so it's difficult to say exactly when enough is enough. Some of my guests tell me I'm not charging enough, while others seem to expect the Ritz for their $50/night. You can't please everyone! I can't comment on your pricing because I don't know your local market but it seems you offer very good value for what your guests get in return.
@Linda1556: We clean our Airbnb ourselves so we put the "cleaning fee" toward the cost of amenities. Local coffee and pastries, snacks, beer, wine and every item that a person would bring (or forget) on their trip. Toothbrushes, Q-tips, nail polish remover, sun burn lotion, sun screen and the list goes on and on. Basically the studio is setup like the guest has been living there already and that seems to be the thing people love. Its not an empty space. It has everything that a person or couple would need during their stay and we are always adding to it.
We are both in Sarasota so you understand the demographic of the traveler around here. Older couples who are getting their feet wet with Airbnb. We make it a point to secure those first timers forever and we have done a good job at it so far. We have roughly a dozen repeat guests every year.
First, a big thank you to all for your comments. We haven't had negative comments or complaints (other than one person that we don't believe would be happy not matter what was provided) and I'm possibly just reading/listening to way too many Airbnb tips/videos as to what you have to or should provide for your guests--of course, in them they also don't share the nightly rate, how long their stay is, etc.!
Barry & Lera...yes, Sarasota is a VERY seasonal location and over the past two years we've had very diverse backgrounds, along with age spreads of guests who have stayed with us. We have repeat guests as well, so like to think that we are doing something right! We've also continued to add to the amenities along the way, but again, after reading articles within the Community, onPinterest and videos on uTube, we're just curious as to what others believe is enough based upon "price point?"
Personally we don't feel it's worth our time/expense to book our space for less than $70/night--and our booking average is between $85-100 (using Airbnb's smart pricing). The main rational for pricing is we ONLY book Friday/Saturday nights (sometimes longer if holiday weekend), as we travel for business frequently ourselves during the work week and prefer to be onsite for guests just in case of emergency or equipment issues. Once things settle down, we're hoping to be able to host for longer stays.
I do think our amenities are in-line with what others listed in our areas may be offering--and depending upon the circumstances/occasion, sometimes provide a little something "extra" for them (i.e., small bottle of champagne/wine, cupcakes, etc.) but I can't see providing a full breakfast or bottles of wine for each/every guest, unless we raise the nightly rate to compensate for them.
Sort of a related topic...how far would you/do you go as a "concierge" for your guest(s)--it's a special occasion and they are requesting wine, flowers, etc., how would you get compensated for this or would you assist? Sorry, guest/customer service is top of mind, as I'm in the "industry," so I'm always curious as to what others are implementing.
@Linda1556 I asked this very same question a few months ago. I got some good reassurance from experienced hosts.
I would make a few suggestions...
Don’t compre yourself to other markets. Culture, standards, tourism, economy etc. don’t make for easy like-for-like comparisons.
First calculate your costs. Factor in EVERYTHING, including any taxes, utilities, cleaning chemicals, all those consumables per booked night. Then work out the cost of all your linens and towels coffee machines, fridges etc. and divide it by the number of booked nights over their average life. You should then get a nightly cost of doing business. Work out how much your own time is worth and how many hours you put in to administrate and clean the listing, and add it on top of your expenses. You have to, as a minimum, price above whatever this cost-point is, and increasing amenities that would take your costs over your room rate simply doesn’t make financial sense. Determine if whatever margin is there is worth it for you - intangibles like “I enjoy showing people my city”, or “meeting people from other walks of life improves me” are completely legitimate to factor in at this stage!
Look at your other local hosts who have comparable listings in the same area. Do a comp-shop... What do they offer? What do they cost? Are their reviews better or worse than yours? This will help you see if you’re pitching the right price for the local market and to see if your current amenities should move your price point up or down. The recent increase in the transparency of the ratings will help you!
Next, check who’s booking up first, you or similar listings in the area? If it’s you then you could probably up your price which would allow you to increase your margin or increase your amenities. If it’s them and you’re still fully booked then the same thing goes, but if it’s them and you have empty room-nights, then you’re probably priced too high, so you need to reduce your price (no further than your cost-point though) otherwise you’d be losing money with every booking.
You will now know if you’re pitching correctly, and importantly your margin (room rate minus cost per night). Make a personal decision about whether you want to increase amenities which will necessarily decrease your margin or require you to increase your room rate, or to keep your offering the same.
In terms of added extras, do it if you want to, it will certainly make a good impression. I would personally pass the cost on to the guest and give my time involved for free as it’s not in your calculations above. If you’re a nicer person than me, then base it on, “Would I give them this money out of my pocket if I met them on the street?”
I hope at least some one of that made sense!
@Linda1556, we all are so different and from time to time we all have “never enough” guests. I suggest to run your business according to your standards and your market. For sure you know it better than strangers from don’t know where.
Recently I have got an example of such guest:) She left me 5 stars review, but put there that the breakfast was super basic. And described it. I was laughing. If she put ALL that she had on her plate, her comment will look ridiculous:) Besides it is just shown on the picture, so everyone know what to expect:) But she “kindly” mentioned that the price for the stay was not high.