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I had a guest instant book for a checkin today. We have a strict 4pm checkin time & they showed up at 2:15 saying they chose ...
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I am an experienced host in Germany and have a question. I don't know wether it is an international problem or not, but in Germany airbnb behaves extremly hostile to hosts. airbnb expects reviews with an average of not less than 4,7. Offers below that will be canceled. When guests give a review with 4 stars the airbnb program tells them that this would have a value of "good" and guest believe in that. In fact airbnb judges 4 stars as bad. Bad enough to cancel an offer with 4 stars average. So in secret airbnb true speech 4 stars means not only bad, it means very, very bad. But airbnb doesn't communicate this to the guest, so it is a malicious trap for hosts.
Normaly guests do their reviews reasonable and fair. But some guest are different. Maybe 1 or 1,5 percent. They rate objektively to low and even confront hosts with insolent lies. They seem to have some fun with review terrorism, missusing the power they have when they can do a review. The first problem is: When terror revievers rate with 3, 2 or even 1 star it can have bad consequences for the rating average of the host. And it is not shure that such review bomb are spread fairly among all hosts, a host might have bad luck and catch more of them as should be expected. And the second problem is: In Germany airbnb gives hosts no protection against terror reviews at all, they just let it go and don't care. Hosts can do nothing about it. Airbnb just refers to freedom of expression for guests. But: In Germany we have freedom of expression as well. But in Germany and the European Union this will not allow to do damage to others. An extreme example: You can call someone a child abuser it its proven that he is one. But if this is not proven it is not legal to say so.
With those reviews it is not so easy, but in principle it is the same. Lies are not allowed! With those stars it is mixed. People have a realm of decision. But not endlessly. It is not allowed to rate objektively very wrong, so wrong that the review includes a factual claim that is not true. Easy example: If an offer is rated with 5 stars from 90% of the guests and suddenly a guest rates with 1 or 2 stars he says that the host offers a hovel but he objectively does not. In this case the reviewer would have to prove that they where temporary very bad special factors, otherwise it would be stated that he only wanted to do unreasonable damage and this would be illegal.
So one problem is the the hostile behaviour of airbn to its hosts. The other problem is that it will not be aesy for a host to assert his rights at court. The reviewer may live in a far country and his adress is unknown. It could cause lot of costs and effort and no host would like this.
But: It would be easy to have a data base of illegal and damaging airbnb - reviewers, and maybe others aswell. Hosts could easily check if an interested guest is listed there and refuse the requests. Such a data base would have to be independent from airbnb. I think it would get many clicks from all the hosts and might finance itself with some advertisemnet. This idea is so good and easy that I thought it might already exist. And that is the question: Does it exist?
Hi @Norbert0
I am a Superhost.
I do not stand any nonesense from guests.
If I get a review that is inconsistent, I REPLY to the guest in the public feedback section and justify my response with facts.
May I respectfully suggest that you do exactly the same and not sit back and not give a reply in return to these guests.
I am also a guest that uses air bnb, and no where in my recent guest air bnb experience was I pressured to give my host a bad review, just an honest review.
Hi Victoria,
No, I won't reply. I am upset about such things, want to forget them soon and don't want to have much to do with it. And I think that vicious guests feel well when they see a response. I suppose they feel less well when it seems as if I wouldn't care about it. I work professional with somehow crazy people and "normaly" they seek attention when they become destructive. I don't want to reward them.
Maybe my situation is much different from yours. I live alone and have a room without much sense in my flat. So I rent it. Not so much for the money. Oh, it's nice to have it, but I don't depend on that. I could have an electric model railway there as well. But I like it to have friendly people from all over the world here, just for some words sometimes. And for some extra contacts for my cat when I am at work. Many guests are cat lovers. And: A public feedback makes no sense at all. Almost no guests will ever read it, surely not if it is review nr. 58 or so. And I can't prove the facts, it'sjust words against words. Some lies I could prove to airbn with the chat documentation. But they don't care. And the main damage is the reduction of the rating average. That is not healed by a public response. airbnb wants to see an average of 4,7 at least! That's crazy because it is much better than good and good schould be good enough I think. But that's how it is. Guest think they do something good for the host when they rate 4 stars. But you know it: 4 stars as average means: So bad that it will be canceled. I don't mind much about the superhost status. I have it but I don't need it. But I mind about the cancelation below 4,7. So I have an eye on the average. And if you get 4 stars from time to time, well ment but bad already, and then receive terror ratings with 3 or 2 or even 1 star 4,7 might become a problem qickly.
As I said I don't do it only for the money, Ithink I do a lot to make it nice for the guests, both with personel effort and spending some money from time to time for better equipment. And for that I want some recognition. And the opposite upsets me like I already said. That's another point besides the average problem. It is a horror to be a victom of terror and lies without the ability of doing anything senseful against it.
I give you a fresh example. A guest wrote he would land at Berlin airport Tegel and asked for the way. I have prepared text blocks and he received the answer and believe me, it's perfect. I have made my experiences with guest arrivals when I started with airbnb and now how to do it. A little later he said he was wrong, he would land at airport Schönefeld. O.K. no problem, of course I have a good text for that airport aswell. And with that he managed to find the area. Then he has sent a foto a housedoor where he couldn't find my name, saying he has arrived. But the foto was from Nr. 14, I live Nr. 16 and of course he had that information. Well, I walked out and picked him up. I was friendly of course. But this showed that he didn't look at my fotos in the check-in instructions. About 6 fotos for the last 15 meters, pertfect like the other things. Impossible to miss my housedoor with them. But without them desorientation maybe possible. But it was all no problem for me. But for the guest it was.
He rated the check-in with 3 stars. With 3 "potentials for improvement": "unclaer instructions". A provable lie, instructions and fotos are very claer. But should be used. "hard to find". Maybe if the claer instructions and fotos are not used and even without it is easy with the signs here to distinguish between nr. 14 and nr. 16. And finally toping it all "host didn't answer". Again a provable lie, the chat documents that all his questions where answered, I can prove that there was no unanswered question and the questions in the check-in situation where all answered within 1 or two minutes!
So the guest blamed me for his own very unusual inability! I have no problems with stupidity. Nature didn't want to create only intelligent people and I work with sometimes more or less stupid people and help them, it's my job. But I do have a problem with stupidity combined with malicious attacks.
This guest rated communication with 3 stars as well. Again "host didn't answer" and "slow reaction". Both provable lies again, any court would be on my side.
There where 6 more lies in the shown as "potentials for improvement". Not arguable opinions, but complete fat lies. All of them!
The guest finally rated the last three sections with 3 and 2 stars. Without arguments any more, just out of the blue. To me it looks like as he had the preconceived decision to do a destructive review, first fed it with lies and finally did not feel like finding more more lies.
No, I don't want to do a public response. Instaed I don't want to have such people in my flat! With the airbnb rules on their side, not on my side! And that could be achieved if hosts could use a data base containing guest who are known for lies and unacceptable reviews. It would be a helpful measure of self defense as airbnb is no help and courts would help but are out of reach somehow because of costs and effort.
@Norbert52 You are taking this review business far too seriously. Courts? Lists of "bad reviewers"? "Terror"?? Calm down. Your life and your self-esteem are not dependent on an occasional 3 or 4 star review.
all hosts know exactly how it feels to get unfair review and rating. All of us get it from time to time from some weird guest. I know Germans are perfectionists but It is impossible to always satisfy everyone, don't even try 🙂
And as far as I know hosts are not delisted if their rating falls under 4,7
Yesterday someone came up with brilliant idea - to allow hosts to delete 1/10 of all reviews. This way some occasionally retaliatory lies couldn't harm good host.
well, at minimum requirement they say an offer below 4,7 can be cancelled. Not will be cancelled. But it could happen. If they say so it's a real threat.
I think it would be enough to delete 1/20 of all. Or even less. This would be 5%. I think only 2% might be so extreme that they should be sorted out because the problem seems to be the the mind of the guest, not the offered place.
Hi Branka & Silvia
>> I know Germans are perfectionists
By the way. Not all Germans are perfectionists. And if there are more of them on average it will be the same with the Chinese or Japanese for example. It's just a product of the language. If you learn a more complicated language from early childhood on the brain gets programmed to do more accuracy. And this will have influence on many aspects of living. Not a lot of things form a brain that much as the language it is thinking with.
@Norbert52 There have been endless discussions on this forum about this. Of course it's a dishonest system in that airbnb leads guests to think they are rating well, and then turns around and punishes hosts for anything less that 5* reviews.
The way many of us have dealt with this is to simply start educating our guests as to how the review system works for hosts. I never would ask a guest to give me a 5* review, but most are shocked and incredulous that Airbnb tells them 4* is good, and then threatens to delist hosts for that. Most guests will then keep that in mind when reviewing, as it is not their intention to make trouble for a good host.
As you host a spare room in your home, as I do, you probably have a fair amount of friendly interaction with your guests. The Airbn review system info is not hard to mention in a conversation with a guest over a cup of coffee or a shared bottle of wine in these types of hosting set-ups. Hosts who have a separate unit they rent out sometimes leave a note in the unit.explaining the review system to guests.
When you have an inquiry or booking request, you can click on the guest's profile photo to go to their profile and see reviews they have left for other accomodations they have stayed at. This can give you a good idea of how those guests generally review.
Hi Sarah,
Yes, sometimes I informed guests how airbnb judges 4 stars in truth. And yes, it helps, guest will rate with 5 stars then if they where satiesfied. But I don't like this. Even if I give only this information I feel like begging for 5 stars. And I don't like it because I think 5 stars should be reserved for exeptional luxury. But that's not what I am aiming for. I want to offer a good and nice place but not a little palace room. A place worth the relatively low price. I offer some good things like a wall mounted quite big TV with Netflix, a ceiling fan, Internetradio, an airconditioning unit in summer. That is more than what most other hosts in Berlin offer, so I am good so far. Maybe very good. But the room is not very big. The bed is 1,4 m wide, not 1,6 or 1,8. The room is not very sunny. So I think that 4 stars would be the correct rating for it. And I understand when guests think the same.
But airbnb started with an air maitress, right? It should not cut off its roots completly. It should go on offering good places much cheaper than hotels. And that doesn't need luxury.
But as long as airbnb expects an average rating of 4,7 it should be honestly and communicate to the reviewing guest something like this:
5 stars - good or better
4 stars - not good
3 stars - bad
2 stars - very bad
1 star - a hovel
@Sarah977 schrieb:
When you have an inquiry or booking request, you can click on the guest's profile photo to go to their profile and see reviews they have left for other accomodations they have stayed at. This can give you a good idea of how those guests generally review.
Oh. That is very interesting. Actualy my settings allow direct booking. If I ask for request before booking I can see the reviews the guests gave to other hosts? Didn't know that. Till now I only saw the reviews they received from other hosts. That's worth thinking about it.
One should take bad reviews to court as it is an intent plan to harm someone’s business.
One of my guests claimed I was threatning.
why she stayed two weeks and paid for guy who is threathning? Doesn’t make a sense.
She also said that i continued rude behaviour with Airbnb after she was gone.
So also Airbnb’s action is rude and illegal.
i am thinking to sue both. You better have a good insurence for that.
Airbnb refused to take this review off in the name of openness. In addition they have delated all messages regarding that...