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Just a story for ya’ll. I’ve been holding this one for over week. We left on holiday the day this concluded. I’m still unpacking this.
This story pertains to a guest who has stayed multiple times in a friend’s AIRBNB during the pandemic and then twice previously in one AIRBNB I manage in the last year. This guest is known to drink heavily and recycling day is always interesting. There have been concerns about this person falling down on occasion and many red wine spills on carpets that have caused the host to remove the carpet when this guest stayed. Now, keep in mind, this guest is a professional. A highly regarded professional who does traveling stints at local establishments in the area for weeks or months at a time. Also, a very good person but an alcoholic, none the less.
So she was staying for two weeks recently and at the end of week one, 14 litres of wine empties were in the recycling. It was actually only five days as she checked in on a Sunday and recycling was Friday.
And after her first night stay, I got a call from the guest on the main floor apt reporting that there must be a crazy person upstairs. Up all night talking on the phone super loud, up and down the stairs and to the car and slamming doors etc til 3:30 am. This guest said he would have to move if this was to happen again. He was also a return guest, and I advised him that she was actually a professional (not crazy or harmful) and I would talk with her. I did so and to the best of my knowledge this did not happen again. I spoke with the other guest at the end of his stay and he said he would come back.
During the stay she sent me weird (not harmful) messages and messages about a large print “falling” off the wall and then on week two she messaged to say she would be working from home so her car would be there all the time. Now this was really weird because she was hiring to travel and work at said location. She may as well be at her home if working remotely. But ok, all is weird.
She was due to check out on a Sunday and I was to clean the apartment that day and we were leaving on a four day holiday the following day (Monday). So after the cleaning the apartment would be ready for a last minute booking during our absence.
I had told her I would I arrive about 1030 on checkout day and finish cleaning the other apartment and see her off. My plan was to put pressure on her to get going because she is notoriously late. I end up arriving half hour after checkout 1130 because if guests at my place, to find her still there. I wasn’t super surprised as she always seemed to bring or gather too much stuff and was always running late.
BUT, she came down to talk to me and staggered down the hallway. She made some mention about her bad hip and I couldn’t smell alcohol.
I was thinking she was drunk though but not 100% sure.
So next thing I hear the apt door close at the top of the stairs and some mumbling and thumps. I was just finishing cleaning the main floor apt which the door open to the hallway so I came out and she was slumped against the wall at the top of the stairs.
Ok! Well sh*t!!
I went outside and took photos of her car and licence plate in case she got away from me. Then I called my friend who’s AIRBNB it was and explained the situation. (She just initially wanted her out at all costs which was understandable.).
After my phone call, it’s radio silence up there. So about 15 mins later I go upstairs into the apt and she is passed out on the bed.
Well at this point, I’m not happy on many levels. I wake her up tell her she has to leave but she can’t drive and ask her what we are going to do. She is so drunk she cannot respond.
I made a phone call to the previous host, our mutual friend who doesn’t have any ideas or her husband’s contact info. Fortunately a few minutely later the drunk guest agrees to call her husband and she briefly tells him what’s happening and then I take over the call and arrange with him to drive four hours to come here, keep her sober so they can leave the next morning (contrary to what the host wants but it needed to be done).
Yes, I know I could just call the police and have them remove her but then I have to deal with a car and her stuff and I’m going on holiday!!! In addition, she is a good human.
So, In the following two hours, she is crying and laughing, I’ve laid it out for her that she is a drunk and killing herself and needs help. Also told she hasn’t fooled anyone in the past two years, including her workplace.
She sobered up enough to call her brother and tell him in case her husband arrived or didn’t and told her to take a hike. Husband does arrive and stuff is coming out that things have not been good and clearly there have been work issues. I surmised that she was let go from her traveling gig or sent to work at “home” because of her drinking. The second week’s recycling haul was 17 litres of wine and some other bottles (whiskey) which may or may not have been hers but the other guest wasn’t known to drink one or two beer in a week so it was likely hers.
So next morning, I’m trying to leave town on holiday. Seems she left something on or open in her car and her car battery is dead. Finally I get her out and I’m leaving town but I don’t have time to clean that apt before going so a week of potential revenue was lost. I sent the guest a request for $400. $100 for my extra time dealing with her a$$ and $300 for the host for lost revenue. She did pay it right away. And gave a 5 star review.
I’m tired still. All in a day of an AIRBNB host.
Oh dear. What a nightmare. I think you handled it very well. I am not sure what I would have done.
I have only hosted one guest who I suspected had a real drinking problem. I do like a drink myself, especially wine (my cats are called Pinot, Grigio and Merlot after all ), so I am definitely not judgemental about drinking, but it is concerning when you are suddenly responsible for someone who could hurt themselves.
My guest caused some minor damage when coming home drunk (other guests have done this too on occasion) and couldn't remember doing it, but said she would pay if I thought it was her. The main incident was when she locked herself in the toilet for several hours. I didn't want to be intrusive, but eventually knocked as I got really scared something had gone seriously wrong. I could tell she was very drunk when she stumbled in there. Luckily, she was fine. I think she had just fallen asleep on the toilet. But, what if she had hit her head on the toilet or sink or choked on her own vomit?
Anyway, well done again for handling it all so calmly and also with sensitivity. I take it though that neither you nor your friend will be hosting her again?
@Huma0 Thanks for four kind words. It was stressful for sure. I did the review very generically and only marked her down to a four for Observance of House rules re: quiet hours after 10 pm and late checkout. But yes, I marked “would not host again”. My friend will not host her for sure and I would need assurances that she is sober if it’s in regards to my places.
I would not rely on assurances from her. I do not have a lot of experience dealing with alcoholism but I am not sure you can take any addict's word for it that they are now sober. With someone you know well, you maybe get an idea based on how they are behaving, but in this case, how would you know?
Oh I agree
@Normen0 You attracted to this woman, obviously. No host with any rationality would do the things you describe here.
You are counting her bottles? Do you realize how weird that is? Did you actually enter her private space when she was unconscious, did I read that right? And she has a husband?
But she is a "professional" and a "good person." Her days as a high functioning alcoholic seem numbered to me. She is heading for rock bottom.
Buddy you had better wake up and smell the coffee. Before you end up hurt--physically, emotionally.
If you want to take her on as a project you should see a therapist first for your own sake, to make sure you know what you're getting into, and to discover what your real motivations are.
I'm going to make a wild guess and say there is or was a substance abuser in your own life, or it was you. Because you are too good at being a co-dependent not to have some experience of it.
Wow, that's harsh. What would you suggest @Normen0 should have done instead? Was he just supposed to leave her there passed out, potentially in danger, and just hope that she checkout out eventually?
Also, I am not sure he was deliberately going there to count the number of bottles. It was obvious when emptying the recycling that there was an unusual quantities of empties in there for one guest. Where I live, you put the recycling in the bin outside unbagged. It's pretty obvious when some heavy boozing has been going on, e.g. if there has been a party for example.
No, I'm having a lovely day, thank you for asking. We're having gorgeous weather with nonstop bird song! How are you, @Gordon0 ?
@Karla533 I think apologies are in order. A big bag of assumptions topped with a slice of 'me too pie' roasted over a low grill of paranoia sticks and naive assumptions about fellow humans on this our lovely planet, which we all share and do our best to help our fellows when they are thrown in our paths ,which as hosts they often are. These wonderful people were doing there work and trying to go on holiday . That is what they told you . When all of a sudden their paths were cut off by a flailing ailing human. when boundaries are broken like this then our internal moral sense takes over and petty rules are not relevant H
One thing this forum does not discuss often enough, in my opinion, is what it means to behave professionally as an AirBnB host. Normen's behavior as described was not professional in my view.
@Huma0 My comments are not deliberately harsh, they are telling it like it is. Alcoholics destroy themselves and others by pulling them into their orbit. Normen has taken a rather cavalier attitude to all of this, enabling her destructive behavior, and I believe putting himself at risk.
@Normen0 knew this woman before hosting her most recently, if I read his post correctly (If not I'm
sure someone will correct me)
If so, then of course he should have declined the recent booking.
But I think it's pretty obvious he has a thing for this woman, so he wanted her back. He tells us and others around him that she is a good person and/or a professional, which in his mind means she can't be that bad.
This woman desperately needs professional help. Normen called himself an alcohol abuse counselor in the title of his post, joking I suppose.
Normen is very far indeed from being such a person.
@Karla533 wrote:
But I think it's pretty obvious he has a thing for this woman, so he wanted her back. He tells us and others around him that she is a good person and/or a professional, which in his mind means she can't be that bad.
@Karla533 could you explain what you mean by @Gordon0 having 'a thing for this woman'? That's a bit of an assumption to make. Are you implying something untoward here?
Sure, I personally would not have hosted this guest given her history but, seeing as she was there and this situation arose, what was to be done? @Gordon0 managed to get her to call her husband and her brother but he had to negotiate with her to make this happen. He didn't have their numbers to call them himself first rather than try to reason with her. Should he have called someone else instead?
Let's suppose that we are talking about a host who had not known prior to the stay that the guest had these problems and a similar situation arose. What should they have done? You are offering criticism for his actions but no alternative suggestions other than he shouldn't have hosted her in the first place. I agree that it's important to vet guests so as to avoid these situations, but given the example of the girl who stayed with me with the alcohol problem, that I had no indications of beforehand, I'd be interested to know what is the right thing to do?
Hey @Karla533 Please go to my profile. We are Normen and Laura and I am Laura. AIRBNB chose the Normen0 name.
You are way off base.
Yes, I’ve known of this woman for a couple of years and yes, known she was a heavy drinker. Also known she has functioned and kept her job the past two years. I know she has been a good guest and the bits I’ve gathered told me she is a good person. Despite being a known alcoholic (in our opinion) she has not been a troublesome guest so why wouldn’t I take her in this time too?
When you have to take the returnable bottles from the recycling to return in and you are piling them into your vehicle it’s hard NOT to notice how many bottles. And you start to see the declining of a person and have concern. And as a retired police officer, I have tons of history with substance abuse and yes, also as the child of alcoholics.
Yes, I entered the apartment. I didn’t mention I knocked and called her name first. Secondly this was now 1 .5 hours past checkout and I saw her 15 minutes ago slumped against the wall. I feared she may be dead or at the very least may have slipped and fell. What should I have done? Called for the police first? I didn’t want to have her arrested though I could have. Who else should go in?
Yes, tongue and cheek I said I’m now an alcohol abuse counsellor. Everyone else seems to understand that.
But please tell me again, dear therapist what a sicko I am.
@Normen0 I am not a mental health therapist either but the odd therapy situation does arise. One of my very distant relatives was charged 150 years ago with 'keeping more that one lunatic ' in the house . So just remember ,one at a time . Rock on good people . I too have a very close relationship with 'the bins' they tell the truth .H