Hostile message from potential guest, in reference to my Pet Policies

Dawn402
Level 3
Newport, RI

Hostile message from potential guest, in reference to my Pet Policies

I received an initial message last night, from a potential guest, inquiring about my Pet Policies.  Message as follows:

 

"Hi I’m planning a trip to visit my parents who live in Bristol at the end of September and we would like to bring our dog and I see that you do have some options but just to discuss or a first I have a Cavalier King Charles spaniel he is eight years old and very quiet sleeps most the time his name is Nigel and very lovable we probably won’t be there very much as my dad is in a nursing home and will be visiting him throughout the day. Please let me know if you are open to letting us bring our dog and also I wanted to check with you on the location in Portsmith I’m familiar with certain areas I know with the shopping areas are and grocery stores but I know there’s other spots that are not too familiar for me." - *DISCLAIMER: The wording/spelling in her message is verbatim; grammar usage was not altered by me, in any way.  

 

My response message:

 

[Greetings xxxx,

 

We do allow one dog, in the room which you are inquiring about. Our pet polices are as follows:

*A non-refundable pet fee of $50, per night, will be incurred.
*Pet must weigh 15 pounds or less.
*One pet allowed, per room.
*Pets are prohibited from lying on/sleeping on our beds/linens or furniture and must be crated while you are not in your room.
*Pets cannot be present in the dining area during breakfast service, per state and local health department regulations.
*Should any of the other quests be allergic to, have an "aversion to" or be afraid of dogs, we require that he/she be kept in your room, when other guests are present in the common areas (living room, kitchen and dining area).
*Pet must always be on a controlled leash, when not inside of the guest room.
*Pet must be walked only on the designated pet area(s) of the property.
*Guest is responsible for cleaning up after their pet on the outside property and properly disposing of the waste in the outside designated trash receptacle.
*Guest room is subject to damage inspection, at any time and upon checkout.
*Noise/Disruptive complaints: If the Innkeeper receives more than 2 (two) complaints, alternative arrangements must be made for your pet.
*In the event that your pet has an "accident" - there will be a charge for necessary cleaning and/or a charge of 100% of fair replacement value, should any non-repairable damage occur to the property, including, but not limited to guest room, furnishings, rugs, décor or linens.

 

We also require a signature and date on all these policies. The document can be emailed to you.

 

Kindest regards,

Dawn - Innkeeper]

 

*NOTE: In addition, I sent her a separate response message, in reference to her inquiry about the location of my property, advising her that it is in close proximity to the local town hall and police station.  I did not offer the exact location. 

 

Due to the fact that I had not received a response, after an hour and a half, I then sent her a follow up message and declined her inquiry to book.  

 

[Hello xxxx,

 

Since you haven't responded back to my email, I am assuming that our pet policies do not suit your needs.

Respectfully,

Dawn - Innkeeper]

 

She responded an hour and a half later:  

 

"I read over your pet policy and I don’t understand why you charge $50 a night for a pet fee which means it would cost us $200 to bring our dog with us to state your property which is more than what hotel would charge also how can you charge $50 a night for a pet fee but if my dog has an accident there’s an additional charge on top of that don’t you think that’s a little excessive honestly I don’t want to stay at your property just for that reason alone because that is just totally an equitable for the customer and it seems to me that you might be trying to make a profit off of somebody else’s circumstances of having to bring your pet with them. Hardly believe they actually cost you $50 a day to have a pet sit there and sleep in the bedroom honestly let’s be fair about this I think this Airbnb ancillary charges are getting a little out of control which is really too bad because it’s going to force people like us who are looking for accommodations to go back to using hotels because it’s on affordable to stay at Airbnb’s because of all these additional charges I hope you take my thoughts and comments into consideration when setting your policies and setting your rates because it’s going to come around again where people are gonna be using Airbnb anymore because the prices are just getting out-of-control think about it." - *DISCLAIMER: The wording/spelling in her message is verbatim; grammar usage was not altered by me, in any way.  

 

I proceeded to report this user to AIRBNB and sent her the following message:

 

[Due to the hostility in your message, I have reported you to AIRBNB customer service. Please refrain from sending any further messages to me.]

 

She responded, immediately, with the following message:

 

"My questions and my comments are totally legitimate and warranted if you’re gonna put yourself out there and do business you have to be prepared to handle questions and concerns from customers whether you like them or not and I hardly find anything in my tone or my questioning hostile their confrontational and assertive but not hostile don’t confuse the two." - *DISCLAIMER: The wording/spelling in her message is verbatim; grammar usage was not altered by me, in any way.  

 

My response:

 

[Definition of confrontational: tending to deal with situations in an aggressive way; hostile or argumentative.  
As previously requested: Please refrain from contacting me again. Thank you.]

 

Her response:

 

"I think I’m going to have a conversation with Customer Service myself and see where we go with this. And the definition of hostile is belligerent violence and combative and I would never describe any of the messages I sent you as the above."  *DISCLAIMER: The wording/spelling in her message is verbatim; grammar usage was not altered by me, in any way.  

 

My response:

 

[I'm sure they they would love to hear from you. Best of luck with that.]

 

*The conversation ended at this point.

 

As of this morning, I have yet to receive any form of communication from AIRBNB on this matter.  I attempted to block the aforementioned user, however I am not able to do so, via the AIRBNB site.  

 

Any suggestions, as to how I should proceed with this issue??

 

*ON A SIDE NOTE; THIS USER HAS THE FOLLOWING DETAILS LISTED ON HER PROFILE:

 

"I’m a very private person and periodically travel within the domestic US and internationally. When I use Airbnb my main focus is the trip and I really don’t want to spend time socializing with hosts and prefer to go about my own business and not engage in small talk. I’m extremely neat and orderly. I choose potential listings that reflect similar surroundings to my home; neat, tastefully decorated, comfortable and efficient. Also I try to leave things exactly the way I found them and I take very good care of the place while I’m there. Most importantly for me is that the bed is comfortable and is accessorized with quality pillows and linens, frankly nothing is more unsavory than old used pillows that have an unpleasant odor, stubby sheets and flimsy comforters or duvets. Most of the time I’m gone and not lounging at the property. That being said I really depend heavily on quality and restful sleep and if I didn’t sleep well enough I probably won’t return to the place. I’m fair and straightforward with the business aspect of Airbnb as far as scheduling and payment. Finally I really wish the communication system would be more flexible within the Airbnb universe. It seems cumbersome to have to use the app to send and respond to text messages regarding scheduling logistics. I think providing the option to communicate live initially between the host and guest prior to finalizing the transaction would possibly minimize confusion."  - *DISCLAIMER: The wording/spelling listed above is verbatim; grammar usage was not altered by me, in any way.  

 

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Susan17
Level 10
Dublin, Ireland

Dog or no dog - hell would freeze over before I'd accept that guest through my doors. Her profile alone would have elicited a solid "No!" from me. "Entitled Demanding Drama-Queen" stamped all over her. 

 

The communication was a bit iffy on both sides, tbh, but certainly nothing that warranted reporting to Airbnb. 

@Susan17 - Well...we are all entitled to our opinions and they don't always match with others. Although I do not agree with your viewpoint, I do respect it and appreciate your input. 

 

In reference to my "iffy" communication, she even admitted to being "confrontational and assertive" in her response message; hence the reason I replied with the definition of confrontational.    

 

The primary reason behind my decision to report this user, was based upon several factors, not just the hostility (personal perception) in her messages.   I chose to report her because, in my humble opinion, we (as hosts) have a responsibility to AIRBNB and the community to bring attention to potential guests, who display this negative type of behavior; which is displayed in her profile as well.  Neither party (AIRBNB and/or hosts) need to conduct business with people of questionable character.  

 

With all due respect; it is completely evident, based upon your opening comment, that you would be adamantly adverse to allowing this potential guest in your home, yet you find my choice to report her unwarranted...?  *Please do not interpret my comment with negative connotations.  I genuinely respect your opinion. 

 

Happy Hosting!

Hi @Dawn402 

You wrote "Neither party (AIRBNB and/or hosts) need to conduct business with people of questionable character"

 

Sorry to tell you this, but unless a person (host or guest) causes them widespread negative media coverage, Airbnb couldn't give two hoots about anyone's character - questionable or otherwise. As long as there's a buck to be made, Airbnb will welcome them with open arms.

 

We're talking about a company here that routinely re-houses troublesome and ant-social guests with unsuspecting hosts, even after they've trashed their previous host's property and/or broken all their house rules (invariably with a full refund and permission to tank the first host with a ruinous review)

 

So unfortunately, reporting a guest for being a bit snotty in the tone of her communication, is simply wasting your own time, and Airbnb Support's time. 

Ian-And-Anne-Marie0
Level 10
Kendal, United Kingdom

@Dawn402 

Your guest seems happy to provide plenty of business advice, especially on how much she shouldn't need to pay you for her dog and her benefit. Obviously your $50 charge should allow for whatever damage and soiling the dog could muster...

 

Maybe your House Rules are not clear enough?

 

PETS:
Must be approved by the Innkeeper, prior to your reservation, at an additional fee of $50 per night. Please contact the property owner directly to discuss restrictions and policies.

 

Nope!

 

I don't think that your guests reply was hostile, but I do think she may have been wanting free dog accommodation (because Nigel is very loveable..) and she didn't read your house rules - and that needed to be your fault (!)

 

We're in a different position here. We have a NO PETS policy. We get enquiries... "Hi, I see you have a no pets policy. Can I bring my dog?" Whilst reading your post I was thinking maybe we could charge £50 a night per dog as per your policy to put people off, but then, either people wouldn't mention it and just bring their dog, or we would then need to start justifying charges which are already posted. Hmmm... Not easy either way. We have had guests kennel their dogs nearby for more than £50 a night though !!

 

Don't lose sleep over it, you've done nothing wrong.

 

Edit: Furthermore, you too have a 'No Pets' policy! Allowing pets makes you extra over accommodating at any price.

Ian-And-Anne-Marie0
Level 10
Kendal, United Kingdom

@Dawn402 

 

Your guest stated:

it seems to me that you might be trying to make a profit off of somebody else’s circumstances of having to bring your pet with them. 

 

Their pet is not your problem!

Mike-And-Helen0
Level 10
England, United Kingdom

@Dawn402 @Ian-And-Anne-Marie0 @Jennifer1421 @Susan17 @Mark116 as has been said this person sounds arrogant (telling you what you should and shouldn't do) and entitled (Nigel is clearly a special dog).

It is fine to report her communication to airbnb, they won't do anything unless they deem it a problem.

Definitely a good choice not to host her.

Sean433
Level 10
Toronto, Canada

This seems to be unnecessarily draw out. After her long reply to your long message about your pet policy, I would have just stopped the conversation there and moved on with my life. There was absolutely no benefit to proceeding the convo.

 

You will experience many difficult guests, fortunately this was not a guest. It is best to keep it short when you feel they are not the right match. Arguing back and forth once you decided you don't want to host is not professional, serves no benefit to you and overall drains any positive energy you had.

 

@Sean433  @Dawn402 

 

 I strongly disagree, Sean.  You seem to be preaching at Dawn and also scolding her.  Calling her unprofessional is an unnecessary attack on her and her decisions on how to run her business. 

 

 I think  Dawn did the right thing, and I would do the same thing in her situation. 

 

You are  entitled to your opinion but please do not state it as if it were fact.  Your opinion is simply an opinion.  And it is my prerogative to strongly disagree with your opinion which I think it is way off base. 

 

 You should run your business the way you see fit, and let others run their business the way they see fit.

 

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@John1574 

 

Interesting use of words @ "scolding". Your replies to your guests reviews on the other hand seem rather "scolding" and rather entertaining actually. Not entertaining as in good educational content but entertaining in that " I can't believe a host would speak like that"

 

I have seen many of your replies on this forum and never replied to one of them because I have seen how it drags into a melodramatic mess in which case a mediator has to step in and speak as your "mum" to tell you to simmer down. I have also seen how you scolded other nice hosts who were giving me good advice on other topics and I never replied to you specifically because it feels like I'd be talking to a door mat. So for that reason, this will be my 1 and only reply to anyone of your messages.

 

In 3 years of hosting, I have never once seen a host scale above 1 listing that is overly dramatic and is not endowed with even just a little bit of emotional intelligence. This is why my business appears to be at least 6x what yours is John based on what I see from your profile. You will never be on my level and if and when you do, I will congratulate you but until then, you just simply aren't worth my time replying to.

 

 

Sarah977
Level 10
Sayulita, Mexico

@Dawn402  1. You don't need to decline or pre-approve an Inquiry (declines count against you). All you need to do is message back within 24 hours. Ignore the proddings from Airbnb to pre-approve. Inquirie are not like Booking Requests, which you do either have to Accept or Decline within 24 hours.

2. I've never had to block a guest, but what I've read here is you go to your message stream with the guest and click on the flag on one of the guest's messages. Then follow the prompts.

Yadira22
Level 10
London, United Kingdom

adding to @Sarah977 @point 2 - blocking is only possible on desktop preferably google chrome! Thanks

John1574
Level 10
Providence, RI

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@Sean433 

 

Way to go, Sean. The topic of the thread is Dawn's narrative about a hostile guest, but you seemed to have abandoned that topic to launch a personal attack against me.  Why? Because I issued a mild rebuke to you for your attack on Dawns handling of the hostile guest.

 

Your take on how @Dawn402 handled her disturbed guest is how you should should handle guests like that when confronted with them:  other hosts can and will and should handle it the way they see fit. Why can't you accept that?

 

In the generous spirit of Dawn sharing her experience your response comes off as harsh, judgemental and insensitive: now you go way off topic to viciously attack another contributor, me? You insult me and call me names? I bet you can go lower yet. Keep up the good work.

 

Way to go, Sean. I simply wanted you to reveal yourself for who you really are . . . and you did a great job of that.

 

Now we know.

 

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Paul154
Level 10
Seattle, WA

@Dawn402 

"make a profit off of somebody else’s circumstances of HAVING to bring your pet with them."

LOL.

 

Yes! We also make a profit off of somebody else's circumstances of HAVING to take a vacation.

 

Thanks for sharing. It has made my day.

 

 

Clay29
Level 4
Houston, TX

I don't see anything hostile up until you said you were reporting her. All she did was make a complaint. As seen from her point of view, your response could look threatening given AirBnB's reliance on reviews as a means of qualification. To paraphrase your paraphrase, I think the whole follow-on could have been avoided with:

 

[Due to the concerns in your message, I have forwarded your comments to AIRBNB customer service. Please contact them for further assistance.]

Ute42
Level 10
Germany

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@Dawn402 

 

Your fee of $50 per night for a dog is excessive. And You allow dogs with a maximum weight of 15 pounds only. So You are charging $3,33 per pound of a dog, let's call it dogpound.

 

One of Your listings sleeps 5 guests and it's apprx $150 a night. How much does an average adult person weigh – maybe 180 pounds? So 5 people weigh 900 pounds and pay $150, that's $0.16 per pound of a human being (HBpound).

 

So You are charging 20 times more for a dogpound than for an HBpound. Don't be surprised if dogowners get upset about this policy.

 

By the way, I don't consider a dog with less than 15 pounds to be a dog.

 

cc: @Sarah977  , @Susan17  , @Branka-and-Silvia0 

 

 

 

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