Lgbt

[Mark258]

I have small children that would not understand. Can I deny an LGBT?

[Marit-Anne0]

Probably not.  And I do not understand about the children not understanding.

It is not as if it is written LGBT on their forehead and they are not growing horns or tails or hooves or anything like that, so there should be nothing to explain.

[Brian147]

From my experience, small children are the most understanding/don't care about such things and adults are the least understanding.

[Christian65]

Thank you @Brian147 and @Marit-Anne0

I just replied to his post in another thread as he seems to have double posted his question but I totally agree with you both.

Children usually don't bother unless they've been taught otherwise and the question is not what @Mark258's children doesn't "understand" today but what they will learn if people can be rejected 'cause of their sexuality.

I'm not sure how ABB will be monitoring their host's possible discrimination towards guests but I think that guests may be able to flag or report their suspicion to ABB if they feel discriminated against during the booking process. 

[Christian65]

Hi @Mark258

Firstly, if you deny guests based on sexuality or race you could possibly be excluded by ABB if the guests flag you with a suspicion that they’ve been discriminated against.

Secondly what does your small children not understand?  Should they learn that LGBT people are lesser people and that hetero people are to be preferred? 

 ** Please note this post has been moved from a duplicate post

[Babs0]

Agree with all the replies here: for a child it is just two ladies or two gents staying at your home. If they are old enough to wonder about something, I would just briefly talk it over with the guests before arrival. Let them answer any questions the kids might have, usually they have a great and funny answer and know exactly how much information to give. 

I'm just as suprised about this as @Christian65, @Brian147 and @Marit-Anne0 are... Are there only heterosexual people living in Illinois?! Expect to talk about this with your children at some point, why not see this as a good opportunity?! No matter what age, there is always a good answer to their questions!

Or is it something else maybe... Are you not comfortable yourself, @Mark258 😉 The child in your profile picture looks really smart, i am quite confident he can handle it!

Good luck!

[Claudia-and-Jorge0]

It is different discrimination than selection.
I think we have the right to select the people who will come to live with our family.

[Steve143]

Hello @Claudia-and-Jorge0,

You have the right to select people based on their personal reviews from other hosts.

If there are bad reviews for them personally you can say no to having them in your house.

Doing this is selection and is OK as it allows you to choose between "good" and "bad" individuals who have behaved badly with other hosts.

You don't have the right to refuse people based on general things like nationality, religion, skin colour sexual orientation etc.

Refusing people on general things is discrimination, not selection, and not allowed by Airbnb's policy or, I would think, the laws of Spain. No one is saying that you have to like all people but you are required, on Airbnb, to respect them and they are required to respect you and your house.

You are operating a business, even if it's in your own home, in the sense that you accept money for providing a service.

Steve.

[Babs0]

Agree with @Steve143 on this one, @Claudia-and-Jorge0!

If you don't want to people in your house that don't have your preferred sexual orientation or skin colour, maybe you should reconsider hosting through Airbnb? We want a platform where ALL travellers feel welcome! What could possibly be a "good" reason to deny an LGBT person as a guest?!

[Claudia-and-Jorge0]

Dear Steve,
Thank you for your comments.

I think we will be able to exchange our opinions.

First of all I apologize for my English, I hope that my limited knowledge does not provoke erroneous interpretations of what I mean.

Indeed I am operating a business, this fact does not turn my house into a public establishment. Even in all public places there is the right of admission, which entitle the establishment manager to accept or reject new customers.

So, according to what you tell me, my selection criteria have to be based only on the comments of other hosts?

Should I accept a group of young people of Nazi ideology who come to a protest in Madrid? Or ideological differences are expressly outside this commitment.

Should it accept violent football followers who habitually come to generate violence?

Should I accept a family whose religious convictions include dressing their women with burkas or worse yet bring with them young girls who have been victims of ablation and perhaps talk about their suitability with my teenage daughters?

I think I would not accept either one or the other. Being that it is definitely a help the comments of other hosts, in my opinion have to prevail my personal criteria.

I hope you do not misunderstand my comments,

Respectfully,

Jorge

[Helen3]

Wow @Claudia-and-Jorge0 I can't believe BNB's new policy has passed you by......

https://www.airbnb.co.uk/help/article/1405/airbnb-s-nondiscrimination-policy--our-commitment-to-incl...

It is quite simply and clear  - so not quite sure what you are not understanding;

You cannot discriminate against a guest on the basis of their race, sexuality, religion or disability.

You don't need to accept  young people of Nazi ideology or violent football followers into your home.

You can't refuse to let someone use your listing because they are a practicing Muslim (never seen much difference between women in the Muslim religion who cover up and what nuns wear 🙂 ).

If you want to discriminate then don't use BNB to let out your property use another listing service or promote your listing directly through your own website, making it clear who you are happy to accommodate and who you aren't.

[Mariann4]

@Claudia-and-Jorge0

You can not be serious comparing LGBT and Nazis?? Please try again. After all the nazis tried to exterminate the gays or lesbians or any other not heterosexual.

I'm chocked!

Mariann

[Elaine-and-Duane0]

You have the right to teach your children and I certainly stand with you. However, Airbnb stands for non discrimination and if a host can not represent the brand for any reason, than the host should consider stepping down. Hiding behind children speaks volumes. Female circumcision,Nazis,burquas, football...as further justification ?????????????? 

[Gerry-And-Rashid0]

Unfortunately you are wrong in so many ways. And your English is good and we understand what you are saying. You are operating a business by providing a service that you charge for - therefore you cannot discriminate on the basis of sexuality, race, religion, etc. It is illegal to do so in Spain.

In addition, you are in breach of AirBnB's discrimination policy.

You need to read a bit more about what discrimination means and how it is applied to businesses and services.

As for your children, I am sure they are far more understanding and accommodating to people - at least until you teach them to discriminate.

[Lisa293]

@Mark258

It's a tough one.  I can see both sides.  For host families in a shared dwelling that are raising their children with certain religious beliefs, for example, this may be contrary to the teachings of their church and something they don't feel comfortable supporting under their own roof.  It would seem certain hosts are being discriminated against for their lifestyle choices when they follow particular religions.  This in turn is not really fair.  Are hosts being denied the right to respect their religious beliefs in their own home??  Technically, yes, if you cannot accept this you will be breaking the Terms of Service and will probably have your profile delisted if there is a complaint lodged.

On Stayz you check a box if you are a LGBT friendly listing.  I prefer this system.  We welcome everyone so it doesn't matter to us one way or the other really.  The key point in using that type of system is that the guests actually know, for sure, they are valued and genuinely welcome with an open mind and an open heart - not just uncomfortably tolerated for a payout and to comply with 'rules". It's unfortunate you have been backed into a bit of a corner.

I personally respect your right to choose who you welcome into your home.  Hosting is not the same as serving someone in a public place of business especially when you have children.  It is my feeling that if you cannot properly host in these circumstances to the fullest and best of your abilities, you would be doing the guests a favor by steering them to book elsewhere.  If you are just making this judgement call based on fear, I would strongly urge you to have a more open mind.  For your own sense of peace, you may choose to check out other listing platforms that do not have this policy in place and diversify a bit in case the day comes when you do have your listing shut down. 

All the best, whatever you decide.