I had a guest instant book for a checkin today. We have a st...
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I had a guest instant book for a checkin today. We have a strict 4pm checkin time & they showed up at 2:15 saying they chose ...
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Hello Hosts,
I have received a email from Airbnb "Action needed by 05 December to keep listing active"
Well, I tried to Update it my Profile. However I can see I've already have my IDENTITY - Gov ID and Home address too as I've been Hosting since 2014. Plus I'm also a guest to other Countries over past years....
I thought about to call Airbnb Customer Service "Philippines" for the Q, but I was worried I may have the Answer from them still back to the Q...
So, please let me know. Thanks! Helena
@Susan17 - Gosh!
- @Sharon493 in France was in a right panic, after spending 2 days trying to upload a photo & having it repeatedly rejected.... (On my post: Verify! - or be delisted!)
@Kate381 in England posted on an old thread 'Host ID verification process nightmare' that she coudn't respond to the verify by 6 Dec threat COS SHE HAS NO PHOTO ID - Many older Brits don't!
@Stephanie replied on my post "We are expanding the verification program by asking both host and guests to provide this identification, just to make sure everything is correct......... This is being rolled out globally so other territories will be expected to complete the process in the near future"
Brian Chesky's response to the Vice article re scam listings was "We're gonna verify all 7 million listings."
Not "We're gonna verify all our hosts." But that is exactly what they are now doing, so in fact, he lied.
Getting hosts to upload a passport photo or other govt. ID only verifies the hosts' identity. It in no way whatsoever addresses the issue of listings which are inaccurate, listings where the host practices bait-and-switch, ones where the listing is illegal because a renter is hosting against the terms of their lease, or ones that are total scams.
That's what guests care about, and what the bad press is about, not whether the host uploaded a passport photo or not.
If Mr. Chesky has a hard time understanding the difference between verifying that a listing is accurate and real and verifying that the host is who they claim to be, he should really step down and let someone with more intelligence take over.
I've posted this several times before but as this thread is specifically about Verified ID - and the difficulties hosts are facing in trying to comply, it's probably worth mentioning again...
So let's take a little look at the rather chequered history of the third-party outfit, to whom Airbnb has already entrusted the verification of millions of IDs (at a reported $2 a pop, on top of gigantic set-up fee) over the past 6 years...
Since early 2013, Airbnb has outsourced offline ID verification to a controversial start-up called Jumio, which later filed for bankruptcy in 2016, following the ousting of founder and CEO Daniel Mattes, amid allegations of financial irregularities. (Prior to starting Jumio, Mattes had also been sued by a former business partner for alleged fraud)
Mattes's replacement, David Stuut, was then recruited by Jumio backer Andreesen Horowitz, one of whose partners sits on the Jumio Board of Directors. (Similarly, Andreesen Horowitz are lead investors in Airbnb, and an AH partner also sits on the Airbnb board)
In response to vehement opposition from other shareholders, a $22.7 million stalking-horse bid by early investor and major shareholder Eduardo Saverin (Facebook co-founder) to buy out the company was blocked by the courts (citing "every red flag possible"), and was sold instead to private equity firm Centana Growth Partners, for just $850,000. (Saverin had resigned from the board just days before Jumio filed for bankruptcy, but remains heavily involved in the rebuilding of Jumio Corp., as its now known)
Saverin and other company executives were later sued by another shareholder, Bloso Investments, who accused them of having "grossly mismanaged" the firm and driving it into bankruptcy, and said they'd been running Jumio without proper financial and accounting controls for years.
And apart from the company that Airbnb continues to trust in processing and storing our most sensitive personal information, having a rather tarnished reputation itself, Jumio's competence in performing satisfactory and reliable ID verification has also been called into serious doubt on many occasions.
The following is a review by an Australian company that signed up for Jumio's identity verification services, but found them sorely lacking
https://www.reddit.com/r/ReviewTechUSA/comments/4go0ph/jumio_review_flawed_product_and_unethical_com...
In April of this year, Daniel Mattes was ordered by the Securities and Exchange Commission, to pay $17 million to settle fraud charges relating to his time as CEO of the company. Jumio's CFO also agreed to pay $421000 to settle charges.
Despite all that, Jumio Corp still managed to attract new investment ($55.4 million to date, and continues to rapidly scale in a $20 billion industry, most recently joining forces with FaceTec, to launch Jumio Go, a fully-automated biometric identity verification technology (hence the inclusion of selfies now as proof of identity)
User complaints about Jumio Corp's product, such as false positive results, two different results from the same ID, fraudulent submissions not being picked up, and temperamental technology still abound in 2019 however, as evidenced by a multitude of threads on this forum and others, decrying the deficiencies and difficulties in user experience.
But hey.. it's all about "trust", isn't it?
I haven't gotten the notice to verify yet. When I signed up 3 years ago, I only listed my email address and phone number, as no verified ID was required. I've never added it because I've never travelled as a guest yet, and I don't use IB, so it's not needed in order to require verified ID from guests.
This has never been an issue for either me or my guests, so why should Airbnb care? And at this point, the pages of glowing reviews and 5* rating, as well as the Superhost status I've somehow managed to keep from the first qualifying quarter should make it evident that asking for this stuff from experienced, obviously good hosts, is just a time-waster with zero purpose other than to tout up as media fodder.
I was a Superhost once back to two year ago but i had a few dishonest Guests who stayed in my place and Lied about everything in my place and reviewed me and my home was totally untrue. (You can find the review there) therefore my Superhost title also down to normal. Anyway, since then I'm not worried an about the Superhost status but concentrate on Guest. With current situation "Double verification" on my Profile that I found is Unusual. Airbnb just send me another reminder SMS and email at 7. 19pm Sydney time.to complete identity verification. I guess this is totally a Security flaw or Scam.
Here's just a small selection of threads on this forum alone - some dating all the way back from when the CC opened in 2015 - with thousands of comments from distraught and stressed-out hosts who ran afoul of Airbnb's "Verified ID" programme, and its many disastrous failures. It's beyond belief that Airbnb continues to entrust our most sensitive personal information to this shower of shysters.
Never, ever allow yourself to be lulled into a false sense of security by believing that if your guests have been verified by Airbnb, that surely must mean that they're genuine, trustworthy people, or even that they are, who they say they are. It doesn't. At all. The only reliable way to carry out ID checks, is to do them yourself. The threads below are testament to that.
https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Help/Verify-ID-now-required-for-all-travelers/td-p/202421
https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Help/Stuck-in-Verify-Photo-ID/td-p/561378
https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Help/Stuck-in-Verify-ID/td-p/269403
https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Hosting/Verified-photos-selfies/td-p/568952
https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Help/AIRBNB-cannot-verify-Photo-ID/td-p/480873
https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Help/how-to-upload-a-photo-of-ID-to-verify/td-p/72967
@Susan17 I have heard that we (at least us U.S.-based hosts) can "get in trouble" with Airbnb for asking to see a guest's Government-issued photo ID during the booking process (and perhaps at check-in, not sure about that). Is this true, do you happen to know?
Shamefully, it is true @Rebecca181 - but what can one expect when the company being paid to do the verification, share VC backers in common with the company whose customers are being verified? Gotta make sure all that lovely dosh keeps funnelling its way right up to the top of the pyramid!
Jumio Press Release. May 1, 2013
“Airbnb and Jumio are great examples of companies who have applied new technologies and business processes to disrupt the old way of doing things in their respective spaces; lodging and authentication,” said Scott Weiss, partner, Andreessen Horowitz and Jumio board member. “It’s always exciting when two Andreessen Horowitz portfolio companies partner up to leverage each other’s innovations.” (Another Andreessen Horowitz managing partner, Jeff Jordan, also serves on the board of Airbnb)
However, if hosts are careful to clearly state their intentions to verify the guests' ID themselves (best to put it in House Rules and Other Things To Note), then Airbnb doesn't have a leg to stand on. Given recent events (Orinda, Allie Conti's Vice article etc), and the current spotlight shining on them, can you imagine the furore if the media got hold of whispers that Airbnb is actively preventing hosts from protecting themselves, their homes, their families and their neighbours, by checking that guests are actually who they say they are? It would be professional suicide for the company if they tried to pull that stunt now.
Thanks, @Susan17 . I have always included in my Airbnb listing's 'House Rules' that I reserve the right to check ID upon the guest's arrival; and I will not accept bookings from guests who are not verified with ID.
As mentioned in previous Note that I will wait until the 5th of Dec. Right now it is at 4.13pm in the afternoon, the 6th of Dec that my Listing still ACTIVE!!! So hope all Hosts are ok with your updates in the future! Merry Xmas!