Hi all,Fairly new to hosting and could use help on how to co...
Hi all,Fairly new to hosting and could use help on how to communicate to a guest that was not the person booking the reservat...
Dear All,
I am Kellan, and I am a traveller. I am very new on this community.
I am currently a researcher who investigate sharing economy, particularly solutions for both host and service providers will consider to increase their benefits.
At the moments, I am looking at the phenomenon "host's rejection". I have a number of your discussions on this community, and get some idea in mind. However, it would be great I can officially start a thread and we can discuss in one place.
Could you please share with me your concerns regarding some questions below?
1. What makes you reject a potential guest? Please share any potential causes.
2. Which is the most important reason for you to reject a guest?
3. How often will you reject a guest?
4. When will you reject the guest? Is there any possibility to reject a guest after you accepting them, and what reason for that?
5. Can you estimate your rejection rate, possibly per week/ per month?
6. Do you think the sharing service provider's policy can decrease the rejection ?
7. Could you please share any ideas you think it would be help all service providers, host and rejected guest?
All ideas are respected and helpful in this discussion.
I would like to say thank you for all you stop here, read the post and leave some comments.
Wish we all Airbnb, host and guest can co-create the best values for us.
Best,
Kellan.
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Hello, not sure if you are still collecting data for this, but as the thread is still going, here are my answers:
1. What makes you reject a potential guest? Please share any potential causes.
- They want to bring children, even though my listing states no under 18s. This is a frequent request.
- The booking guest is actually under 18. They shouldn't officially even have their own profile, but sometimes they do.
- They want to bring a pet. This is a rare request, but occasionally happens.
- They have really misunderstood what they are booking, e.g. they think they are getting the whole house (or an apartment) not a room in my home. Sometimes they just think they are getting a private bathroom but the bathrooms are actually shared.
- They have not read that I have cats and they are allergic.
- They do not respond to my questions witin the 24 hour period a host has to accept/reject.
Incidentally, most guests will cancel their request once you explain, so you don't necessarily have to 'reject' them.
2. Which is the most important reason for you to reject a guest?
- Wanting to bring children is probably the most common reason why I have to reject a booking. Some guests will try to persuade me their child is wonderful and I should let them stay, but that is not the point. I will not budge on this one!
The next most common reason (but not the most important) is guests not responding to quesitons in time. In these cases, I tell them if they send another request including the requested information, then I will accept it.
3. How often will you reject a guest?
Hard to say. Maybe once a month or less.
4. When will you reject the guest? Is there any possibility to reject a guest after you accepting them, and what reason for that?
I always ask them to confirm they have read the listing and agree to the house rules before I will accept a guest's request. I ask them questions if there is something I am unsure about, or for more information if they haven't sent any in the first place. This means that potential problems are usually brought up BEFORE booking.
For instant booking guests, my welcome message asks them to respond to a short set of questions, which includes confirming they've read the listing/agree to the rules.
I've only once cancelled after a guest booked (it was an instant booking). This was due to several factors. If it had only been one, perhaps I would not have cancelled, but combined, they really worried me. They included: guest booked 2 nights, but wanted to stay for 5, then 6. Kept booking for less nights/people than needed. Asked for a discount. Kept ignoring my check in/check out times. Was slow to respond and had to be asked questions over and over again.
I also once asked a guest to cancel her reservation herself, but it was an extreme case that involved a break up and a suicide attempt. I did not want to risk such a thing happening in my home!
5. Can you estimate your rejection rate, possibly per week/ per month?
Hard to say. Not more than once a month on average.
6. Do you think the sharing service provider's policy can decrease the rejection ?
Yes, the main thing is better education for guests so they understand the importance of 1. Completing their profiles. 2. Communicating with hosts. Some attempt has been made to do this, but there needs to be more.
I think it should be compulsory for guests to complete their profiles before they can send a booking request/enquiry, i.e. they have to write a description, add a photo.
There should also be a short form when sending a request, where they have to fill in fields for the most common host questions, e.g. Who are you travelling with? What is the purpose of your visit? You have this in part with IB, but even then, guests don't answer all the required questions. It should be compulsory in order to make the booking.
In fact, if someone is booking for two or more people, I think it should be compulsory that they fill in the names of the other guests.
7. Could you please share any ideas you think it would be help all service providers, host and rejected guest?
See above.
Also, I think hosts should respond to requests within 24 hours, BUT should have 48 hours before accepting/declining as not all guests respond to questions in time. OR, the host has to respond to the guest within 24 hours, but if they have questions, the guest then must respond within 24 hours to those. I think either of these would greatly reduce rejections.
@Kellan0, AB is pushing IB very, very hard. If you go to the site as a traveler, the default setting is to show you ONLY listings with IB. You have to actively switch off that filter to be able to see the many other listings. That is the main reason why hosts would switch on IB. Not for me, I much prefer to converse a bit before hand.
I have only rejected maybe about 5 requests in about 130 bookings, I think. I have very steep stairs to the unit, and a narrow spiral staircase inside, and the bathroom has sloping ceiling which makes it very tough for tall people (I am not one of those!). If there is any hint of a mobility issue, advanced age, or other problems with those features of my unit, I ask them to confirm they have read the description carefully. One set of guests didn't read the description and then gave me a bad review, and then AB contacted me about the "misleading" description of my unit!! Now that info is all in CAPITAL LETTERS.
One thing I definitely do not like is when potential guests start out the conversation by asking for a "special discount" or offer based on whatever, or if they ask for early check in (or even VERY early, e.g. midnight check in the day before, i.e. a free extra day). Usually if I say "no, I can't offer a special discount" the discussion ends there. I'm able to turn these down because I live in a sought after location (Boston), but I wonder if potential guests realize how sour an impression that sends to the potential host?? The few times I had that request and the guests came anyway, the interaction was minimal and in one case they didn't leave a review (which I was fine with....)
One other time I had a request from four 14- and 15-year old international boarding school students who mistakenly thought their school was kicking them out of their dorm over a holiday, and I contacted their school to find out if that was the case (it wasn't) so the misunderstanding was corrected and they stayed at the school for the holiday. That was a one-off circumstance, though.
Susie
No shows are the most annoying, but at least I get paid.
My check in is 10pm on the basis I will live with 11pm but surprising how many turn up well after midnight.
Hi @David126,
Check-in time, check-in time again!
Respect the host'rules will be a good sign for a good relationship between guest and host. Most of the cases, they should show up on time, except only for some unexpected reasons. But these are guests you already accepted, right?
Could I ask if you would reject a guest who say their arrival time in their pre-approval inquiry which does not match your guidelines?
Many thanks,
Best,
Kellan.
Sometimes I have had people who wanted to turn up early and if I am here say fine, I have found that most do not so I do not amend my plans to cater for that any longer.
Occasionally I have had enquiries form people who start of by saying they are flying in and their plane lands after my check in time, I am 2 hours from the Airport not allowing for picking up a rental.
I point this out and suggest they get somewhere nearer the Airport.
Many thanks for your further explanations why the rejection could happen before the real stay (very occasionally)
Best,
Kellan
@Kellan0, beyond all the obvious reasons to decline someone , here is someone I declined, just going by his request and my gut feeling that it would be trouble: he was hardly to see in the profile picture, had no other reviews, was obviously leaving another Airbnb place he had just checked into, and treating the lady friend was a bit uh...... "unneccessary info", shall we say.
Hi @Annette33,
Very very interesting. I guess you know better how a person is after a hosting period on this platform.
Thanks for sharing with me your thoughts, and your guest's message as well. It is quite clear.
Sometimes, sharing too much information which is unnecessary is also not good indeed.
I will take this for my personal experience 🙂
Thanks thanks,
Best,
Kellan
1. What makes you reject a potential guest? Please share any potential causes.
In all but two cases, the reason I requested was that they wanted something I don't provide. Examples: children in group when my place is not appropriate for children, 3 people when I only have space for 2, have pets when I don't accept pets. The only other times I rejected was someone with a bad review and another who stated in the request "name your best price". I gave a little discount and he continued to ask for a better price so I declined. I have also had 2 people request that thought they were booking for a different city. In that case, the mistake was caught and they withdrew request.
2. Which is the most important reason for you to reject a guest? See above
3. How often will you reject a guest? very infrequently (I accept new guests with no reviews, ones without profile pics ect. I see it as an opportunity to introduce them to the system.
4. When will you reject the guest? Is there any possibility to reject a guest after you accepting them, and what reason for that? I have not done that. Not sure what would make me do that.
5. Can you estimate your rejection rate, possibly per week/ per month? less than once a month
6. Do you think the sharing service provider's policy can decrease the rejection ? perhaps
7. Could you please share any ideas you think it would be help all service providers, host and rejected guest? not sure
Thank you very much for your great comments.
As mentioned in your post, you shared that you might accept a guest without reviews/ profile pics, but you will reject a guest with bad review. How can you learn more a guest without reviews/ profile pics? I guess through personal communication before booking?
Best,
Kellan.
I have rarely (only once) had a guest with a bad review. I think it takes a lot to "earn" a bad review. However, I am willing to take a chance on a newbie. We were all new once but hopefully we don't all earn a bad review. I often don't know much about a new guest in advance and am taking a bit of a risk. We have had about 140 plus guests and so far not really any bad experiences. I think because we are on-site and in a small town (not much of a party destination, that helps limit some issues.
Hi Kellan, I have just watched this thread for a day or so to guage what sort of response you were going to get, and the contributions have been great, accurate and in general a real blueprint for making 'that decision'!
From my point of view I possibly start a bit earlier with my assesment by paying particular attention to the manner in which a prospective guest comes to me.
Firstly who am I going to appeal to?
1/. I am not in a recognised party location.
2/. I live on the property.
3/. I do not charge an outrageous amount of money.
4/. I cater for no more than 3 people.
These four things will cut out much of the problem end of the market. I am going to be attracted to people who are not out to party their heads off and simply want a quite day or two away. This makes accepting or declining much easier, it puts my guests into that certain bracket. This is additional to the golden rule flags.....locals, celebrations, pets!
Secondly I analyse thoroughly the way the enquiry has been worded or the Instant booking message has come to me.
If someones says...."We have seen your nice photos and your reviews and are looking forward to staying for a day or two!"
Kellan, I don't want to dig any more, I just want to hit that accept tab.....They have come to me in a passive complimentary way and I am sure they will make good guests.
When they come to me with a request like....We are in your area for 'something or other', is there off street parking? what cooking facilities are there, can we invite a friend for a drink....I want to do a lot more digging, I want to see what their past reviews have been like, what have other hosts thought of them....they have come to me in an aggresive fashion and I have found throughout my life that aggresive people are aggresive for a reason!
When they come to me with questions about information that is contained in the house rules, or they are enquiring about a discount, or they just want to 'haggle' over some aspect of the listing or other....decline is really the only satisfactory option.
This type of enquiry comes from people who are used to getting their own way and it is a form of powerplay for them! The more they weaken your ground by bending a bit here or there, the more they strengthen their own and Kellan, they are not like a bottle of fine wine, they don't improve.
I have had 110+ hostings and I have had the most amazing collection of wonderful people walk up my drive and into my life.
But I accept/decline by my experience. The one time I deviated in that 110 hostings was just recently and I offered a discount to help a guest! I have had cause to regret that decision!
With home hosting Kellan we are a special breed! While 99% of the worlds population invent ways of keeping strangers out of their properties....we actually invite them in. It is a leap of faith for the guest, but it is also a leap of faith for the host.....neither of us know what we are going to get. It's not just about making a 'bob on the side' we have to be part psychiatrist, part diplomat, part entrepenaur, and body language and expression is our main indicator as whether to hit that accept tab, or the decline one.
Sorry this is so long, and I know boring to many others who have read my feelings on this topic in the past.....but you asked Kellan, and it is important!
Cheers.....Rob
Welcome Rob!!!! 🙂
The post is longer better for me. And I am sure it is very interesting for me.
Thank you for spending your time for previous posts, and tried to post something different here, it open my eyes.
Our sharing community is built on trust between "strangers", yes, I think it is quite reasonable to learn about each other, not only guest need to know about their host, the hosts also ha vea huge need to know who they will host.
I could't ask for more from you @Robin4, wish you get more good hosting experiences on this platform.
Best,
Kellan
I know it was not what you were asking Kellan, but as I said, I followed all the previous posts and what was I going to do?....there is a limit to how many times you want to here the same answers, so that is why I went down a slightly different path rather than add just the same old comment to each question of yours.
The more hosts host, the better they get at weeding out problem guest approaches, and I just wanted to give you my thoughts about the mind games that go into being a successful host.
All the best with your research.....
Cheers.....Rob
@Kellan0 I actually started writing a post, but my phone died before I could post T_T
Here I go again (procrastinating~~ )
1. What makes you reject a potential guest? Please share any potential causes.
The main reasons for rejections were (a) 3rd party booking (b) request to have gf/bf sleep over - violates my house rule
(c) haggles with my price - anyone who haggles with my price is a HUGE red flag.
And last but not least, (d) https://community.withairbnb.com/t5/Hosting/The-most-flabbergasting-inquiry-I-got/m-p/420771#M95185
2. Which is the most important reason for you to reject a guest?
Not respecting my house rules or conditions stated very clearly in my listing description.
3. How often will you reject a guest?
I've been a host for 4 months now, still hosting my 1st guest with 2 more reservations lined up till end of the year, both long-term. I've recieved a total of 11 inquiries and 2 instant book reservations (both cancelled for different reasons). Out of the 11 inquiries, I flat out declined 3. The remaining 5 were either haggling, asking to pay personally instead of going thru Airbnb to save service fees or kept trying to get me to agree to let their bf/gf stay a couple days. I either reported them or would pre-approve with the message this is on condition it is absolutely clear that if they come as my guest, they will not be allowed to bring anyone into my home, no exceptions.
4. When will you reject the guest? Is there any possibility to reject a guest after you accepting them, and what reason for that?
See above. I think I'd probably reject/decline anyone who makes me feel uncomfortable - but if I did accept and later changed my mind to cancel/reject them, I'd assume it's because I found out that they lied about who they are or why they want to stay at my listing or were planning to ignore/disrespect my house rules and lied to me intentionally to get me to agree to host them.
5. Can you estimate your rejection rate, possibly per week/ per month? I guess I'm at about 1 per month.
6. Do you think the sharing service provider's policy can decrease the rejection ? Not sure, but if I had to choose an answer, then NO.
7. Could you please share any ideas you think it would be help all service providers, host and rejected guest?
Better accountability and responsiblity from the service providers, hosts, and guests. And more clearly defined roles and responsibilities of the service providers, hosts, and guests.